Hi I have 2 min pins and had their ears cropped yesterday.  My female is 4 months and the male is 3 months 1 week.  the female done good her ears look ok but the little males ear folds backwards what do i do and will it be permanent.  I have to take them back on monday for a check up and to put the head piece on but i am so scared it will be folded permanently. HELPPPP!!!!!!!!!
shelley
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What does having their ears cropped mean?

Ear cropping is banned in the uk so I presume the poster is from the US,it involves trimming the ears then setting them to make them stand up right :(

Is that done for cosmetic reasons then? Cause if it is then Im sorry but that is way wrong.

I would hope that you would be more concerned about infections, scarring, and the pain your pups are in than the cosmetic effect of what you have done. Talk to your vet.

You'll have to wait for someone from the US or mainland Europe to come on. Ear-cropping has been banned in the UK for over 100 years, so none of us will know anything about it.

How are the dogs though? As Jeangenie says, here in the UK dogs are not cropped!!!

I am concerned you seem more concerned about the way your dog's ear is going to look than anything else. I am sure you love your dogs but to crop ears for a certain look just appalls me. I guess it is common where you live but, i am so glad i live in the UK. Sorry.

Lindsay

interesting  that ear cropping appals us here in the U.K. but tail docking ...... ? ?  

(just as uneccessary in my opinion !)

what has tail docking got to do with this thread?? No-one on here has suggested they are either pro or anti-docking - so why bring it up?

hi, i am new here and i do not wish to offend but are your views on tail docking?

hasn't the poster already said that they feel docking is un-necessary?

Claudine, if you do a search you will see the posts of those on the board that wish to voice an opinion on docking.

Perhaps if tail-docking also required several months of ongoing treatment it may be viewed with the same distaste as cropping ... but as Chloe rightly says, it is irrelevant to this thread.
:)

Guest best to contact your dogs breeder/s or phone your vet they will no if  there is a potential problem .

I brought up the comparism with tail docking as they are both surgical procedures done (almost soley) for the preferred look of the breed. I just think that it's interesting how many people would not contemplate ear cropping their dogs and yet see nothing wrong with tail 'cropping'. Irrespective of how long both wounds take to heal surely it cannot be argued that IN MOST CASES both are not necessary for the health/wellbeing of the dog and cannot really be justified.

It is one thing to cut a dogs coat to change it's shape but in my opinion quite another to clip away at parts of it's body !

Tail docking & dew claw removal is done before the pups has it's full pain receptors developed (whilst the systems that allow the pup to be born without expiring from the pain and shock are still in place) ear cropping is not. Or have I been deceived by my instructors all these years, would be interested to know from anyone who has the education to let me have links to the research or thinking that is opposed to my present thinking. Clipping away parts of their body, do you include castration and spaying in this description

Don't know much about it but my sister is a vet.nurse and says if people think that docking doesn't hurt the pups they are completely wrong.She likens it to amputating a 3 day old babys finger with no anaesthetics...not my opinion just what I was told.
Archer

Have not seen it done recently but at 48 hours the pups did not change their behaviour their main concern was the dams nearest teat, they did not cry or appear distressed in any way. That is not true of the dam who is worried about the pups being removed from the nest. Of course, I have never seen a pup who has had it's ears clipped and I would not wish to. Also worried about having the docking done at the surgery at 3 days, it is normally done at the home and much earlier than that, well at least it was when all vets were happy to perform the service, may be with the new restrictions things have changed for the worse.

could have been 2 days Jackie...been a long time since we discussed the subject!!...forgetfulness must come along with the grey hairs that the kids pointed out today!!
Nikki.

Could you please point me to the post that says "I think its terrible you have cropped your dogs ears its cruel and unnecessary and only done for cosmetic surgery, even though I agree with tail docking" I'll ask again - what has docking got to do with this post? Unless you are just stirring up a debate on it - and surely that should go on a separate thread!

What i would like to know is if the operation hasnt went the way the owner wanted, what happens to this dogs future?? I think it is so sad that surgery like this is allowed to happen. What is the world coming to? What next? I dread to think.

Kat

Several posts have stated " they are appalled by ear cropping " I would infer from that that they think it a cruel and uneccessary procedure - as I stated previously I deliberately linked the two things together because I think it interesting that some find one acceptable and the other not. As to spaying and neutering they are often done to improve the health and wellbeing of the dog NOT because it makes them prettier. ( and no I do not condone the routine castration/spaying of dogs ).

Personally I do not believe that newborn puppies have such a low pain threshold that they do not feel pain when their tails are cut off.I have certainly heard new pups cry out when dew claws are removed.

Newborn pups are by no means as well-developed as newborn babies. Babies can see and hear, for a start.

grondemon, i understand where you're coming from, even if some others don't. I agree there is no difference between cropping ears and docking tails (unless the dog is a working one, or has health issues), it is purely cosmetic. Neutering cannot be compared, as it is NOT for cosmetic reasons and if it wasn't done, our country would be overrun with strays, and the amount of unwanted dogs being put to sleep would be horrendous.

hi

ear cropping is done when the pup goes to its new home as its the choice of the new owner if he/she wants cropped ears, so the pup is going to be at least 8 weeks old , although most are done much older than this which is a lot older than when their tails are done, the after care of cropped ears can go on for months, the bandages have to be continously changed and there are no gurantees that at the end of it the ears will stand! tail docking done properly is over in minutes and with breeds that would have a thin tail if left such as a boxerdog it can have a lot of benefits i had a undocked boxer many years ago and his tail was like a thin whip and it was continously getting damaged through hitting it on doors etc, ear cropping has no benefits its done for purely comestic reasons!

j  

interestingly the breed which most vets report seeing with tail damage are great danes - a breed which is NOT customarily docked. Given this fact if tail docking was done to prevent tail damage then surely this breed would be at the top of the list? . Sorry folks - cutting dogs tails off in the name of percieved beauty is just as appalling as cutting their ears for the same reason.

Surely 'mans best friend' deserve better than this ?

They certainly cry a lot more when their dew claws are removed than they do their tails, I don't know why though.  I'm not totally for docking or against, but I must admit I could never ever have ears cropped.

I agree with grondemon. There's no difference and anyone who says otherwise is guilty of double standards.

Why crop the ears of a breed who's ears stand up naturally in any event?

Jesse