i was looking for a blue staff but not sure how much to expect to pay please could you help me

No more than any other colour Staffordshire.
:)

Blue Staffords are just the same as any other. I have bred 7 and only sell them fro the same price as the other colours in the litter All the best Gwen Hasweth staffs

hi, you may find that you will have to pay more for a blue staffie. this SHOULDNT be the case, but it is. some breeders charge twice as much for blues. we specialise in blues and reds and have found that people are generally willing to pay more for blues as they think they are rarer (they probably are, the most common colours seem to be black/brindle/red) so perhaps thatis why some people charge more. if you need any help etc, PM me, i'll see what I can do. ;-)

If you pay over £500 for a good quality KC pup then you are being ripped off .
A number of blues have pale eyes and poor pigmentation and if you are wanting to show then you will need to take this into account as it is seen as a fault.
Are you looking for a UK Staffy or an Irish as they are two different dogs

Hi Colour should not be a factor in the price of a Stafford pup as long as the coloour is in the standard which blue is. Don't pay more...and as Lel says check the pigmantation.

Karen

I was talking about irish staffords, not KC type. ;-)

as an afterthought, we charge £350 for our pups (£400 for blues), so some might say that to pay £500 for a KC staff would perhaps be "getting ripped off" ? It really depends on which dog you feel is best suited to you as an individual! (I'd reccommend the irish but im biased!) ;-)

also bearing in mind that Irish cannot be UK KC registered

why would anyone pay or ask more for a blue pup its breeding is no better than its black,red,white or whatever littermates.

cooper
probably for the novelty factor of owning a blue in the case of some owners and purely for greed on behalf of breeders :rolleyes:

if people are more than willing to pay more, and do not have their arms forced up their backs, where is the greed? harlequin great danes cost more than other colours, thats ok, chocolate labs cost more than blacks or yellows, in many breeds you will find some colours are more popular, or more unusual, hence the difference in price. if you are trying to force people to pay extra thats wrong, but most people are quite happy to pay a bit more to get exactly what they want.

I think you'll find that reputable breeders do not charge people more for different colours of the same breed. Charging more for a colour whether someone is willing to pay or not is a greed factor. Same as charging more for bitches. All pups cost the same to raise whether they are male or female or blue or black.

Jesse

thanks to all for your advice and opinions could anyone tell me  if i want to k,c register my puppy do both parents have to be registered

Yes, both parents have to be KC registered, and only the puppies' breeder can do it.

I do not wish to start an argument but all of the post that I have read on here with regard to colour, the majority of replies have been that you should not be charged more for certain colours in a breed but this just isn't the case.

Your observation is spot on Whitebull, but what we are saying is that only greedy breeders will exploit buyers by overpricing certain puppies in a litter. This encourages the gullible to believe, mistakenly, that they have aquired something special. The blue puppy has not cost any more to rear than the black one.
Dawn R.

I agree with what has been said, In an ideal world breeders SHOULDNT be charging more for certain colours but the plain fact as whitebull states is that breeders can and DO, all the time! example: chocolate labs, twice the price of blacks. harlequin danes twice the price of other colours. blue merle border collies, usually more than plain black and whites, chocolate newfies cost more, I saw an ad recently for a chocolate coloured sharpei, it was over a grand and the other pups were half the price, (not sure if there is such a colour as im not very knowledgeable when it comes to sharpei) and as for dogs being cheaper than bitches, this is the case a lot of the time, perhpas because bitches are more popular? personally I like both, it does take 2 to tango after all! :-) but that is the way it is, look through any free ads paper or website, you will see colour and sex has a definate influence on price. I dont think we are "greedy" because we charge a little more, as I said, people are willing to pay more. if people werent willing to do so, we wouldnt charge extra. :-)

Sorry just because someone will pay more doesn't mean they should! It is greed if you whack on a premium for sex or colour.

Jesse

I quote you Staffiehappy, 'if people weren't willing to do so, we wouldn't charge extra'. That is called exploitation, and it's only ever done out of greed.
Dawn R.

Blues are rare but A GOOD BLUE is even rarer as alot of them turn a grey/blue colour in later life so if you buy one for £800-1000 as they are often priced then you surely must have more money than sense. Breeding blues is no harder than breeding a litter of brindles or pieds or reds so where does the extra £400-600 charge come from? People will only pay more because 'breeders' charge higher prices for blues and other colours in other breeds such as the chocolate lab. The easiest way to stop these 'breeders' over charging for a puppy is not to give in and pay over the odds. Imagine how quickly they'd sell the puppies for £350-500 if at six months no-one had bought there puppies. Imagine if you saw a can of coke on sale for £5 (unless you were at crufts) would you pay that much for it??? Too many people are in for the greed and not for the good of the breed!

Well said Luxnallstaffs :)

ok fair points, but until the day comes when people are no longer willing to pay extra for certain colours/markings etc, we will continue with the pricing we have at present. we have had no complaints so far which i feel we would have had if we were genuinely "ripping people off"

When are they given the choice?

;)
exactly
why arent ETHICAL breeders saying "look you should only be paying £xx amount - "

is it a point of money talks again ??????

If I was going to buy a new puppy from a breeder and I thought their prices were too high, I wouldnt buy a puppy, simple as that. I have never forced anyone to buy a puppy from me, we get lots of calls and emails from potential buyers, some people try to haggle the price, we never budge, often the same people will call/email back when they have made up their minds. we often encourage people to go away and have a good think about it before buying, as the purchase price isnt the only cost involved in owning a dog!! there are loads of staffies advertised all the time for £200 - 250, if people didnt want to pay a bit more, they wouldnt ring/email us would they?

Sadly nowadays people equate price with value, and they are two very different things.
:)

selling pups bred exactly the same as others for more because of colour is one thing most dog people frown upon. this sort of behaviour in the bull terrier world has a name reserved for the most contemptable type of breeder, the "Puppy Peddlar".this handle also applies to people who sell to anyone, sell loads of litters etc etc etc.

we breed happy, healthy, well socialised pups from parents which are eye and hearing  (not many irish staff breeders bother to do this)tested so I dont think you can apply that name to us. i agree there are a lot of bad people out there though. scan the ad papers and you will find staffie pups  as cheap as £150 (no papers) we find charging a higher price deters some of the unwanted elements in the bull terrier world, and as I said before, we havent had any complaints in the last 20 years of breeding. we have taken a few puppies back and rehomed them due to changes in the owners circumstances, but we do that as a matter of course with any puppy we have bred which needs our help.

eye tested too ???

Quite impressive as from all UK Registered Staffys  in 2002 from there were only 329 dogs eye tested although 2085 litters were registered
Are there any statistics for irish stock ?

how does the eye testing work with irish dogs as when i have taken dogs for eye tests i was told i must bring kc papers along to be stamped etc and i knew someone that forgot their papers and the tester did not do the test.is it the same kc/bva test or is there another test available ?

there are ways of doing most things cooper, if you know the right people! :-)

our dogs are not KC/UK reg lel, i thought i made that quite clear in previous post?

I know that :)
that is why I asked are there any statistics for the Irish to see if there are any problems within the breed ?

im not sure about that one, I only know the vital stats of my own dogs. would imagine there ARE problems, most breeds have at least one or two. would be interesteing to find out, is there an ISBT club or something? were not "clubby" type people, we like to keep ourselves to ourselves and do our own thing, used to go to working dog shows and trails years ago, but dont now, due to some of the farcical goings-on atsuch events, but it could be worth asking said club (if there is one) if they can help?

If I went into a shop and saw a pair of brown shoes I would pay the same amount for them as if the same shoes were available in black and not a penny more. What difference is there in your blue dogs compared to your others apart from the colour? Are the blues more healthy and able to do things the others can't? Do they live longer and have less health problems than any other colour? You keep saying people are willing to pay extra for a blue but they don't have much choice if they buy from you do they? I am sorry but I think you are exploiting the buyers who contact you as are many other people who breed blues. If I specialized in black and tan staffs could I ask for £800 as there are not many around?

Afraid it is just like a "designer" label on a item of clothing, it will always appeal to many people who fool themselves into thinking they have bought a superior/limited edition product. :rolleyes:

I would imagine the present day black/brindle Stafford bias will leave the door open for some people to see producing reds as a good business oportunity? :(

Am I the only Stafford owner that becomes irritated by everyone lumping their dogs under the general heading of Staffords/Staffies.
With the amount of ISBTerrier owners posting nowadays wouldnt it make it easier if you described your dogs as Irish Staffords and not Staffords, after all it is a different breed?

I commented on them being two different breeds ( hence obvious physical differences) on another post - will have to go and look now - think it was comments made on the slip mating thread in breeding .

I get irritated by the Irish breed owners who insist on calling the UK breed short and squat - not all of them are and ideally none of them should be :( - almost as if the Irish is superior

The way round that is to rename the Irish. After all the Staffordshre Bull Terrier was thus named because it was 'developed' in Staffordshire so if Irish Staffies aren't the same call them something else, maybe just the Irish Bull Terrier as we have the English Bull Terrier that way all the confusion will be avoided.

Jesse

Some Irish BRED staffords are very nice specimens of the breed such as IR CH CUMHILL LITTLE MISCHIEF and the MONDERAIG kennel produces good dogs but any breeder will tell you the best specimens come from England and whilst O agree some are a bit less 'leggy' than there grandsires and dams there are still alot of people who breed well within the standard and have dogs with lovely movement on 'longer legged' dogs. At the end of the day you sholud always breed what you like and if you like leggier dogs then go down that road and let others do as they please!

Yes, there are lots of well bred Staffordshire Bull Terriers from Ireland and like everywhere else in the world some people are breeding tight to the standard and some are not, but most can be recognised as Staffords, whether short and heavy or tall and lean and happily anything in between hence the very healthy gene pool, but I still say the vast majority of Irish Stafford Bull Terriers, for want of a better name, being bred today are now bred consistantly to a type that looks to be a separate breed and should be recognised as such and posters could Imho state which type they have. No alterior motives, I guess people who know my posts know what type of Stafford I prefer, no axe to grind ;)

Basically APBT bred for their gameness and ISBT was originally bred for gameness back in the day but now they are bred for their gorgeous looks, mean, lean and down right beautiful all in one little package. If you want the higher quality goods you have to pay the higher price, basic economic theory, scarce resources, unlimited wants, a higher price has to be charged otherwise any1 could buy a dog like this. Infact all breeders should stop messing about and start charging proper prices for proper pedigree dogs. How often do you find a Blue Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier in any kind of rescue agency kennels or planned dog fight. People who pay good money for their dog look after their dog and wont't end up tying him/her to a fence one christmas and leave him/her there. Its usually the mongrels or cross-breed that starts getting neglected and gets cruely left one cold night.

well lel i had a chat with a man last night that was just about to breed his dog to a friends bitch and he WOULD be selling the pups for 750.  both perants are light brindle, so its not just blues that can cost a lot

and he also went on to tell me that his father was breeding sbt 11 years ago and was also selling them for 750 :(

thats ridicolous !! whilst people will pay that, there will be people willing to sell them for that amount 

You can buy a dog/bitch with a pedigree chock FULL of champs for £500 still so what justifies  £750 then ?

I was looking on a puppy site yesterday and someone is selling blue staffies for 1,200 and they only have one left. They had three. Can you believe that?

There is a saying that goes: "A fool and his money are easily parted"

Hi i know this message was written some time ago but i am looking for a blue staff pup but dont want to pay the prices that come along with them. Do yo know of any breeders or anybody selling any around the midlands area? I would be greatfull for any information. Thank you.

Please post a new thread on the Searching board as this thread is really ancient ;-)

Thanks.

if people r selling staffies for ridiculous amounts of money then they must be in it for the money and not to better the breed?  afterall i have heard a good breeder does not make any money on their litter.
just because the dogs r blue does not make them special.. its the labelled price that makes potential buyers believe that they are.  This also adds to the fact that they r rare because greedy breeders are charging more and so less people buying.
Why buy a blue when you can buy a very good brindle dog kc reg and perfect health for half the price?