i'd like to know why some kc husky owners have a problem with the owners of siberian husky owners whos dogs are not kc'd? is because their are not belived to be not to as good? do their owners not deserve the same respect, and what is so wonderful about a kc? paying 20 pounds a month to pretect your dog! would somebody please explain the difference.

I think maybe you should Register with us so that this can be discussed better. You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick with regards to the price of KC registration ..it is a one off payment that the breeder makes to the KC .....the £20 per month will be insurance ...available to ANY pet :)

i know how much it is to get kc but  and to insure at £19 something a month , but my question is why do kc (some ) object to none kc dogs?

Sorry still don't understand what it is you are asking/saying. Do you mean why bother to register with the KC? If so we can answer you but if you are asking something else then you will have to explain.

ok i will make it easy, if u are the owner of a none registered dog and ask for advice or help from a person that dog is kc, they are often unwilling to be helpful with advice on breeding for example, so my question is why whats the difference ?

Oh! I see, well for general advice I would be surprised if there was a difference but if you want to breed then the reply would be don't do it, you have no idea what is behind your dog and as you would be responsible for the pups you produced and as you do not know your dogs breeding it would not be a good idea, for the same reason the owner of a good quality dog would allow it's use at stud. To breed an unregistered dog is the same if not worse than breeding a mongrel or cross breed who's background was not known. Hope that answers your question.

this is my point you'd shoot them down in flames,but i asked about kc not if the dog was pedigree or not !

Lost me again, thought I had said why breeding from a non-registered dog was not a good idea, what has a pedigree got to do with anything, either you are sure your dogs pedigree is correct or your not and the surest (not perfect) way to know is if it is registered with the KC.

Guest I am at a loss to understand what you are talking about, the KC do not charge anyone beyond the initial registration, someone is pulling your leg or you are pulling ours.

I'm waiting for the plug for DLRC :(

Margot

blondbird you are kind of right but i do think none kc are treated different, ok let me pose a question if i had a none kc bitch and was looking to mate her as a complete novice would a kc person help!!!!!

Not if they cared about dogs ~ see reply above.

see that is my point! but what is so wonderful about a kc?

If I wanted to buy a dog I would do my research into the breed, find out what their disposition was, any health concerns etc etc etc before I even contemplated visiting a breeder.  I would then get in touch with the specific breed clubs to obtain expert information and advice.  I would then be aware of what to look for and what the "rules" were with regard to health checks, breeding times etc etc and so purchase a dog which had been bred to conform to the standard, whose sire/dam had "proven" their ability either in the show or working arena and satisfactorily passed the relevant health checks.  I then maximise my chances of obtaining a physically, mentally healthy puppy from a breeder who has demonstrated a "duty of care" toward their stock, the breed and the customer. 

A KC registered dog means that I can show and compete with it.

It is the same argument about using any firm that belongs to a professional body as opposed to a "cowboy"; after all it costs just as much if not more to maintain a "poor" specimen as it does a good one!

anyway a kc does not make you a good owner, or better than the person who cares for their pet

Okay ..here goes. If a breeder KC registers their pups , it is usual for them to have had the dam and sire health tested as well. They will also probably get the buyer to sign a contract to say that THEY will have the pups back in case of any problems etc etc With non KC registered pups, quite often (but not always) the health tests haven't been done, quite often the mating is done without forethought to the lines that both the dam and sire have etc etc.

I *think* that is what you are getting at. Of course, it doesn't always follow...you *do* get some KC reg dogs who's breeders don't do follow ups and don't have health checks done etc etc

Why would you be mating your bitch? Just a question......is it for the betterment of the breed?

As this poster seem unable to understand what is being said I think there is little point in answering the questions. If the question was, shall I mate my unregistered bitch we could answer that but these questions just change every time you answer so I think I will give up, it people do not even take the time to think there is little point.

Sorry I deleted my other post because I realised I didnt quite know where I was going with it and accidently posted it instead of deleting it :D :D :D

It is true what everyone above has said about breeding a non KC reg dog.  What about huskies though ??  are all the working huskies KC reg ?? 

All the ones that I know are :)

my thoughts are un-founded then ;)

i am not ! however i do own 2 siberians 1 is kc the other i am awaiting reply as he is an import, they are both pedigree, both have paper work although if i could do it again i would not have brought my youngest over here as i think the breeder was misleading and breeds as a living not what i'd call a very caring owner as blondgirl says.

I can't see a reply from Blondegirl here anywhere. I *think* , and JackieH will probably know for definite ..that an import can be registered  with the KC :) The other dog, well if you have a problem with the breeder you should get in touch with the KC and voice your worries possibly?

look my point was if you have two dogs that have had all there health checks hip/eyes etc etc both have pedigree why is that frowned on, no iam not planning on breeding mine but have been approached about my male, but of course i would prefer it if he was kc just for the paper ,but if you have paper work proving sire dam etc etc why is so bad?

anyway breeder put endorsments on my kc , even though i was lead to belive it came with none.

Most good breeders will put endorsements on a pedigree :D

The hips can't be scored if the dog is not KC registered which is part of the reason for the argument the rest is, as I said before, because you have no idea of your unregistered dogs background.

i'm sorry but my friend has just had her bitch done and she is not kc

Not in the UK you can't as the scoring is done by the BVA/KC and the dog must be registered.

maybe she did'nt then!i'm just saying what she had told me,but you can get their eyes done cant you.?

you can get anydog done on the working register.

yep i spoke to her she did'nt get hips done but her non kc sibs eyes

If you tell us what it is you want to know we will answer you but up to now every time you post it is on a different tack. Why not post the whole story and then we can answer your question, but ranging from criticism of dog lovers to the KC when it seems you have a problem with an imported dog is not likely to get you the sort of answer you require. Start again, stop complaining and state in a clear manner what the problem is.

thanks for your help, maybe your right,lets hope the other dogs kc comes back soon then.then i'll have 2 kc dogs.

I don't understand these questions. If you have gone to the trouble of importing a dog into the UK then I would have thought you to be more 'clued up' on the goings on. Maybe importing dogs is a tad too easy now?

Jesse

i lived abroad, so as i love our dog and as a caring owner instead of selling him i brought him back, i didnt just import a dog for the sake of it.

Is he registered with the national KC of his country of origin? If he is, and they have a reciprocal agreement with the KC in this country, then you may well be able to register him here.

see what i mean some people are so stuck up !! poodle

I think everyone thought - as I did, that you live in the UK and had imported the dog over from a breeder, not actually bought the dog over with you. If you see what I mean :)

blonde i c what you mean i'm sorry just i'd like to do things right for both my dogs but when you have no kc people lose intrest.

Right wich country did you bring your dog from and was he registered with that countries kennel club?

i brought my boy in from germany,he was registered over there ,has his own race book, has 5 generation of pedigree, but when we tried to register him when we moved back to england we were told it depends on which one he was registered to as in germany ther are 2. but i also brought another sib over here in november, who i have kc but am not allowed to get pregant, which is fair enough as i won't want to breed for a few years yet and i'd only like one litter if i did as i don't belive in breeding for the sake of it, but my question was this morning is why a kc dog so much better than a non kc?

Apart from the fact that only KC-registered dogs can be shown at KC events (Open, Championship shows etc) and can gain the title of Champion (which is recognised throughout the world), a KC-registered dog is worth more than a non-KC-registered dog because the breeder's claims can be verified against the KC's records, and any discrepancies can be challenged (in court if needs be). Without KC registration you have no such come-back.

<<why a kc dog so much better than a non kc?>>

Have tried at least twice to answer this so have others, do you read the replies, or is that not what your are really wanting to know? You have also been told that if your dog is registered in Germany he can be shown or his produce registered with the KC providing there is a reciprocal arrangement, all I think you have to do is register.

Please can you write your whole question down in one go and wait for someone to answer, at the moment you seem to add or change what your are asking everytime you post.

ok the one above pretty much answered the question, but i am not chopping and changing i am replying everyone,so if i want to race show  breed i need a kc, great if you want a show dog to brush and everyone to look at , however if like myself you are happy just to let you dogs be dogs,take them running biking,etc etc then a kc means not a lot that is what i am saying, i know just as much about my non kc as i do my kc, we got him from a breeder in germany who has  a slegde team who happen to be on the intrnet and i check in every now and then to see what they are up to,i also got my female from a breeder who i belived to be good but as she lived so far away and was due another litter at the time mine was eight weeks i was unable to see the parents , so i paid over the odds for a dog i can kc but it has no worth unless i want to breed but as i said earlier i dont ,i like her to have a litter in a couple of years but breeding is not the reason to get a kc.

So what is the question you are asking, of course there is no difference if you don't want to show or breed, and you are willing to take the chance that there is nothing health wise that you will not know about, the whole thing is up to you and I can't see what it is you are asking us.

See from what you say you are still considering breeding from a dog for whom you have no proper records, well if you are determined and not interested in what we have to say, what are you asking?

are we on the same page i said i was not breeding with my boy!!!!!!!!!!! but would like my KC bitch to have a litter in a couple of years but NOT become a breeder , but we are just going in circules now so am am off to walk my dogs and spend time with them. cheers for the info im sure if i ever want a showdog i'll find you again, but i'd rather my dogs were loved than that

Sorry I told you I was confused by what it was you actually wanted to know. If you are going to race your dogs your will meet plenty of show dogs you will not need to ask on there.

Your not the only one confused Jackie...
wildone is not bothered about having a registered dog...OK...but bought a registered dog in his own country and is now obviously wound up with problems getting it registered here with the kc and also seems displeased with restrictions on the bitches paperwork bought in the uk....If your not interested in registration why get so wound up??
Archer

You want your bitch to have a litter, but you don't want to be a breeder? But as soon as your bitch has a litter you are a breeder! If you don't want to be a breeder, don't have a litter!

You know what JG, don't think I am the only one who is