id like to find out how you apply for a grant to breed puppies. ive been told that you can get them if you live in wales, can you get one if you live elsewhere in the uk?  yorkshire for example? I would like to start a breeding and boarding kennels as Ive just moved to a farm in yorkshire which I think would be a great place to breed dogs, i have lots of land with the property so there would be ample space to build extra kennels. we have ten at the moment the previous owners were a gamekeeper and his wife they bred labradors and springer spaniels. where can i apply to get a grant?

So you think it is okay to flood the world with more pups/dogs that will end up in rescues you need to rethink and think hard
because this is not a good way to go? this is not being a good careing breeder this is being a money grabbing dealer.

Well said,just because you have land and space  that makes it okay to breed? whats going to happen to these poor pups you might churn out or doesn't that matter so long as there is money involved.Hate to dissapoint you but to do things properly there is very little profit.I hope your prepared to tell Inland Revenue as they would want to know.

Briony

I'll treat this post with the distain it deserves

this has got to be yet another wind up!!!!

Can I have a grant for not breeding dogs. ;)

Think somebody is taking the Michael

Jean

:D :D

Lets hope so JD, we have had so many questionable posts lately I am beginning to loose sense of reality. Never sure if  to offer advice or not, guess if the person is serious, if misguided, one would wish to reply in a sensible way but if it's another wind up and you have spent time thinking how to reply and then type it in it's a blo*dy waste of time. All the silly posts of late have made me think every questionable post is the work of a troll until proved wrong, and to feel like that is not nice.

Jackie you need to give the advice it would be worse if you held back & the post was genuine

Jean

But it is so depressing, not just the posts but the number of times you finish up looking a fool for replying, guess that is what they do it for.

If you have lots of land and outbuilding why not breed pigs, sheep, cattle or chickens?  All are farmed animals.  Dogs should not be.  The advantage to you of choosing a farmyard species to exploit is that you have a lot less regulations to meet.  No breeders licence needed, and the accomodation can be a lot more basic!
bye
Gwen

Ah but we know you are not a fool Jackie and Gwen made me laugh about the farmyard animals

Jean

Sorry Guest - but you will have realised if you have read this far that we do not consider it ethical to "farm" dogs.  

Because government is considering giving grants - and you may not be surprised to realise now that there is a really large lobby against this idea - does not make it a good idea.

Margot

These grants are only available in Wales.  I think if the Government were to listen to those who have to deal with the output of these places, and those with canine welfare at heart, they wouldn't be available to ANYONE!!!!!!  IMHO having the kennel space for any more than 10 dogs would make you a Puppy Farmer, not a breeder - puppy farmers are the lowest of the low as they produce huge numbers of puppies, rarely are the breeding stock checked for the relevant health problems of their breed and even more rarely are the puppies properly socialised before they leave :(  These are the puppies who are statistically more likely to end up in rescue - making a loss for everyone - and technically they are the responsibility of the original breeder under the Sales of Goods act as they are not fit for the purpose of being a family pet - the sooner legal cases are brought against these businesses the better!

It appauls me to think that someone wants to become a puppy farmer, And I totally agree that this person shouldnt even consider it.
but can I just bring up a quote  just incase people are thinking that the breeder they got/are getting a puppy off are puppy farmers

<IMHO having the kennel space for any more than 10 dogs would make you a Puppy Farmer, >
I used to work at a kennels that had 35 dogs. She deffinatly was not a puppy farmer. She had 1 litter a year, sometimes 2, but she did have 3 breeds that she showed.
I also know of quite a few show kennels that have more than 10 dogs. All, very well looked after.
Sorry to pick up on this. Just dont want any misunderstanding.
I am sure you did not mean it as a sweeping statement and hope I havnt spoken out of turn.
Lea :)

People get too hung up on trying to fit a number of dogs = puppy farmer rule.  It is the reason for breeding, the way the dogs are kept, the standard of dogs etc. etc which differentiate between good breeders and puppy farmers.  Some excellent large kennels produce top class dogs, cared for superbly.  whereas some people with a few bitches in the kitchen or outhouse are true puppy farmers.  Standards count, not numbers, and too often people enquiring can be steered in completely the wrong direction with this sort of "10 dogs" guideline.  I can think of no other field where people stigmatise professionalism in the way the dog world does.  If you are full time with your animals, and have a caring staff who are also full time, surely these dogs/pups may be better cared for, better socialised etc than if you work full time and only have evenings/weekends?   Lets focus people on the reason puppy farmers breed versus the reason good breeder breed.  I cant think of anyone I know who actuallyl set out to "be a dog breeder".  They all wanted to breed a superb dog to show/work.
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Gwen

Sorry, Gwen, but I think someone who has never bred dogs before, has ten kennels and is thinking of building more, and asking about money to help set up breeding screams puppy farmer.
There is a limit to the number of dogs one kennel can breed if they are going to give a caring "after sales service", no matter how many people they employ. The responsibility for the puppies lies with the person who owns the kennel/affix and not the employees. We are always telling people on this link that puppies bred are a breeders responsibility for the whole of the dogs life and we cannot shirk that responsibility because we have "lots of space and employees". 

its ok having the land, but what about experiance?

Never mind the land and experience - what about the DOGS themselves ?? :rolleyes:

I do not believe for one moment that Gwen is saying that the original posters idea of dog breeding as a business, is a good one. The crux of the matter, is inexperience and disregard for quality. Almost all of us here hold true the feeling that, would be breeders, to do the very best job of a litter they can, should first have years of experience in there chosen breed, and they should have a specimen that has won well in competition, as proof of it's quality. Added to this these people should have an understanding of the importance of proper health testing. Nobody is questioning these points.
It is true though that these important things are just as likely in some large kennels as in the small ones. I am associated with a large kennel and I defy anyone to cast any asspertion that each and every litter born is not bred with extreme care and consideration. There are some breeders in this country that devote their entire lives to dogs, not just their spare time. Their effort is rewarded by supreme success and unfortunately along with success comes having to deal with the jealousy.
So I say, never mind the size of the kennel, is it carefully achieving consistent quality?
Dawn R.

Fillis, if you read my first post on the subject you will see I am totally opposed to anyone setting up to farm puppies, just because they have land and space.  My comment re: 10 dogs was in response to Diggers post that in their opinion anyone who has more than 10 dogs is a puppy farmer.  I was trying to get across the fact, in general not just in response to this post, that numbers are not important, reasons for breeding, care for the dogs, and excellent breeding ethics are what differentiates s a puppy farmer from a good breeder.  Lets not give potential novice dogs owners the idea that ANYONE with only a few dogs must be good, whilst ANYONE with OVER 10 dogs must be avoided at all costs.  There are 'backyard' puppy farmers, and excellent big kennels.  A lot more care and cosideration may be given by someone with a big kennel and good staff than someone working full time.  This is NOT saying that a big kennel MUST be better than a small one,, either.  People focus too much on numbers, it is standards which count.  Lets keep educating the prospective puppy purchaser to look for excellent health test results, well cared for dogs, clean comfortable facilities, whether in a house or kennel, provable success in the showring or working enviroment, an in depth knowledge of the breed and the ability to offer lifelong support and advice.  Sidelining them with number issues which may have no bearing on the breeding standards is not helpful in erradicating puppy farming.

As an illustration - the original poster may take that guideline to mean that it will be perfectly acceptable to acquire 8 or 9 bitches and breed from them in the said outbuilding!  With no knowledge of breeding (as shown by the original question) this would obviously not make them a good breeder would it?  However, a novice picking up on  a post about "more than 10 is a puppy farm" could be misled into thinking they were OK.
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Gwen

i think this is another WUM, THESE PEOPLE come on here ask a question, but we never hear from them again.

I do hope it is!
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Gwen