hi,
Can anyone help me,received a phonecall today from a very worried friend,who has a 8 month old bordeaux,who may have o.c.d.,does any one know more about this condition ,as all i know it is a reoccuring lameness,but don't know much detail about it.
is it hereditary,and will other litter mate's be affected with this ,or could they be carrier's,i've only really heard of it in horse's.mia started having problem's after a fall,so maybe she did something when this happen(or maybe just a coinsidence)
,she was lame for a while after her fall but,then got better,but now it keep's reoccuring,nothing showed up on x-ray this time,but vet said you can't alway's see it until about 12 month's ,if she does have this condition's what will be the reprocussion's  and outlook.

Hi,
My Mastiff has had OCD since 5mths old, 3yrs now, she was really bad at first. For about 3 months the vet controlled it with painkillers and it seemed to get better. I was told that the treatment could be as little as painkillers every now and again or as serious as a major operation. Ragga only had the occassional lameness until this past 6 months. She has to have controlled exercise and definitley no running. When she is poorly she just lays down and only gets up to go to the toilet or have a meal. We have her on Metacam when she is poorly, after 5-10 days of treatment she is fine. Between myself and the vet we have decided that it is best for Ragga to stay on medicinal treatment as I don't want to put her through the operations as she is affected in both shoulders. She has also developed arthritis in her elbows.
This has been my experience with my dog but if your friends dog is still young and having recurring incidents of lameness then I'm sure her vet will give her the best advice.
I was told on this site that it is hereditary and can happen in more than one pup from a litter, although we have Ragga's sister and she is fine, and that the progeny will carry the gene. Sorry if I'm wrong on that but I think thats what I was told. I'm sure Corso Girl will be on to let you know more about the condition.
D4wn

Hi, sorry to hear this pup is not to well, first i have to say D4wn you are doing a good job girl!! you have said most things, what i dont understand is that the vet found nothing wrong with the dogs leg when xray was done? my friend had a pup xrayed at 5 months and it showed he had ocd very clearly(small chip of bone floating) which is why they wanted to operate on him, but we decided to see how well he would cope, we give a liquid herb for when he has pain which is when he has had to much exercise or if the weather is damp other wise he copes well and is pain free.He was going to be used in breeding program but now he cant as it is hereditary and others in litter can pass it on so you need to be aware. Iwould' nt do any thing for a while as just maybe it isn't ocd.or get another vet to look.

hi corso girl,
my husband seem's to think the vet is just clutching at straw's,as nothing was seen on x-ray,and vet said you can't always see it until they are 12 month's,after doing a little research,it is said it can happen and be seen in pup's as young as 4 month's,so this is putting doubt's in our mind that it is o.c.d. and that she did happen to run into a wall before any problem's where seen with her,my husband has been to see mia tonight ,and was asked if he could see anything phsically wrong with her,and my husband say's the only thing he can see with her is that her left hand side of her chest seem's more developed as in muscle(the problem is with her shoulder)
you say it is heredatary(spelling appauling) is it heredatary through mum and dad both carrying a gene,or can it be caused through one or the other,i am interested to know as much as possible myself ,as i also breed and show bordeaux's.and would hate this to happen to any off our pup's.also is it a condition that breeding stock can be screened for.

hi all,
been doing a little more research,trying to find out what can cause this condition. quote:O.C.D almost alway's show's up during the growth phase of a young dog's life..usually 6 to 9 month's of age.OCD can affect shoulder,ankle or elbow joint.it may start as a intermittent limp in one front leg,or the dog may hold it out or point the toe's away from the midline more than the normal front leg,many young dogs with ocd will run and play with gusto,but when their activity has slowed they recall that the limb hurt's and then return to the favouring the leg,when laying down they will take care to be gentle with the affected limb,
it also say's due to various set's of circumstance's which include diet,trauma,genetic's and body size and weight,growing bone's may develop crack's in the cartilige of the weight beariing surface.
i'm now wondering if mia has this condition ,could she have done this when she ran into the wall,breeder has spoke to other people who have the litter mate's of mia ,and no one has a pup suffering in the same way.

Hi joanne yes it can be one or the other Dam/Sire and yes you can have elbows scored which is what most breeders seem to be doing now as well as hips.It sounds more as if this girlie has hurt her self, the only way to find out is to see how she is in a months time and if she is still lame get xrays done by vet that deals with joints.

hi corso girl,
i know you can have elbow's scored,but would this show up ocd .but after talking to my vet he said they was no great need to do this as,it's normally only seen in lab's,we have over the last few week's been discussing elbow scoring,within our two breed club's as whether it should be done,or not ,i myself think with any large breed we should score elbow's and are having my dogue's screened.

so it's not a condition that has to be carried by dam and sire.what is really annoying is that when we ever speak about health issue's in the breed with other owner's i have never heard this mentioned,as i say we have been discussing elbow scoring,but not to rule out ocd if that is the case

Elbow scoring is done to stop the breeding of dogs with ocd, if you go on to my web site you can get on to a friends site she has a page for health and she is hot on scoring hips elbows shoulders just look down the Cane Corso links text under it tells you the web i hope it helps, just click on to my name at top .

Hi,   I would ask for a referal to an orthopaedic specialist.  A new owner in our breed was told by his vet that his pup at 4 or 5 months might have OCD after presenting with lameness (now this condition hasn't been found in our breed that I know of, if US OFA data is used as a guide).  As pup was insured I suggested that he take the x-rays to a specialist, who totally discounted OCD and diagnosed Panosteitis.  This is an inflamtory conditon causing lameness in fast growing young dogs.  This condition resolves itself, and pain killers are often the only thing needed and rest.

It is often refered to as wandering lameness, and growing pains.

Hi
If the Bordeaux has o.c.d then would it be lame overnight or is it something that occurs slowly?  I also thought that been on metacam over a period of time could effect the dog. How does this disease start off.

I would certainly ask for a second opinion too.

A bitch I bred started getting recurring lameness last June.  She was 14 months old.  She was taken to the vet, x-rayed and diagnosed with OCD.  Referred to a specialist to get the bone spurt removed, was taken there, re x-rayed, they couldn't find OCD.  What they did find though was a 95% tear of her bicep muscle and a piece of fragmented bone floating in the joint probably  caused by a traumatic incident!  So she is has been on lts of rest to let the tear repair & hydrotherapy.

hi all,
thanks for all your reply's,after talking to a few people in the breed,and giving the circumstance's most people seem to think this could be due to the trauma she has been through,and also not being able to see anything on the x-ray does put doubt's in our mind,i think the best course of action now would be maybe a second opinon,does anyone know of a good vet that won't artomatically think the worse,and do a little more investigation.

Hi Keisha

My Newf has been diagnosed with OCD she presented lameness for approx 4 weeks on and off so we had some x-rays done (she was about 6 months) the x-rays were sent to Willows Vet, 78 Tamworth Lane, Shirley, Solihull, B90 4DF 0121 745 1354. They are one of the leading specialists of orthapedic surgery and I requested my vet to send the x-rays there for diagnoses and they came back with OCD of the elbow, since then she wasn't lame for about 12 weeks but it has just come back so we have made an appointment to see one of their specialists. The lameness has now gone again (typical) but we will keep the appointment and see what they say, hopefully she wont need surgery but who knows.

Nikki

I agree with you and Brainless Lily, both because it may not be OCD and because it may. One of my boys had OCD but there was nothing to see on plain X-ray although he was very lame. The diagnosis was only confirmed with contrast X-rays and arthroscopy, which showed up big flaps on both sides. He had bilateral surgery and was pain free a week after the second op. By 6 weeks after the second op he was back to full exercise and, touch wood, is still sound as a bell almost 3 years later.

hi jas,
glad to hear you boy is now ok,we will keep everyone up to date with mia,hopefully it won't be ocd,but if it is hopefully after hearing many storie's of dog's that have suffered with this condition,the outcome will be good.

It is The Willows that the bitch I talked about was referred to and where Marie, her owner was told it wasn't OCD!

hi lily munster,
we are now going for a second opinon,and after speaking to my own vet, he has different opinon's of what it could be ,but also including the ocd,we can't rule that out yet.