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Topic Dog Boards / Visitors Questions / new stud dog ( i want to breed him )
- By Guest [gb] Date 10.12.03 21:13 UTC
i want to breed my dog can some one let me know how to go about it. i have a male pedigree 3 years old. king charles
- By BeckyJ [gb] Date 10.12.03 21:32 UTC
Dear Guest.

The first thing you must ask yourself is "what has my dog got to offer the breed?.  You do not say if you show him or what he may have won in the show ring, so I am going to assume you don't.

Next, you must get the honest opinion of someone experienced in the breed and check that he has no glaring faults that you would not wish to be passed on to his off-spring.  I am unaware of the various health checks that your breed have to undergo.

Most reputable breeders will want to use a dog that is proven in some way - either in the ring or by virtue of what he has already produced.

Using one's dog at stud is not just a case of persuading the nearest bitch owner that they should use your dog.  Are you going to make sure that the bitch owner is capable of rearing a litter of puppies?  Are you going to make sure that the puppies go to responsible homes?  Being a stud dog owner is a lot more than collecting a stud fee and signing the service certificate.

Becky
- By caz999 [gb] Date 10.12.03 21:35 UTC
we dont show him but his uncle or something like that won the pedigree chum cup thing in 1996. we have all the paper work.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 10.12.03 21:41 UTC
My dog's uncle was breed CC record holder for some years. But that doesn't mean my dog is any good!
- By caz999 [gb] Date 10.12.03 21:44 UTC
i wasn't trying to show off i'm new to all of this????????????????????///////
- By liberty Date 10.12.03 21:52 UTC
The point is that even litter mates can be very different, one could be a Crufts Champion, and another a lovely pet, but no show dog :)
No-one is accusing you of showing off, you asked a question, and people have taken the time to reply, constructively to your post.

liberty :)
- By caz999 [gb] Date 10.12.03 21:55 UTC
sorry.
- By liberty Date 10.12.03 22:01 UTC
:)  ;)  Enjoy Champdogs, and all the useful info you can get here; and beware the danger of the written word, it's so easy to be mis-understood, most of us have been at one time or another.

Best wishes

liberty :)
- By Staffie lover [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:08 UTC
hi if you want to breed your dog then you have to have all the health test done for your breed (sorry i don't know what they are) then it would be a good idea to put him in a show, open at first and if you get anywhere then put him in a champ show, to see what other people think of him (just cos he looks good to you don't mean he is a good breeding dog) if he is any good you should have people coming on to you to use your dog,  but i am sorry to say there are a lot of dogs in any breed that are showen to keep up with the demand for studs, very few people look at a pet to breed with,

hope that helps
- By caz999 [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:12 UTC
thanks
- By caz999 [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:04 UTC
so how could i go about looking for a bitch? or is it a bad idea? and wat makes a good stud? i have to say he is very handsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- By liberty Date 10.12.03 22:11 UTC
You could follow the advice suggested by Downstream (Becky) who initialy replied to your post. Or you could read some other posts on the subject, on the Breeders Topics here on Cd's.

I'm sure you have a lovely boy, Good luck, with whatever you decide.

liberty :)
- By Staffie lover [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:12 UTC
you don't look for a bitch one comes to you,
if you are only planing to use him once then it is a bad idea as he will go mad every time there is a bitch in season for miles (what he has not had he does not miss), and if you are thinking about getting a bitch i would also say that it is a bad idea unless you can keep them apart when she is in season
- By caz999 [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:16 UTC
no no no i am definatley not going to get anouther bitch. we're not in it for the money at all. we just feel a bit sorry for him as he's randy all the time not with humans but with other dogs even MALE dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:21 UTC
To be honest, if he's randy all the time when he hasn't been used, he's likely to be 10 times worse afterwards! Unless he's going to be used regularly (say once a month), you could end up with a nightmare!
- By Staffie lover [gb] Date 10.12.03 22:31 UTC
i would agree with Jeangenie
if i was you i would think about getting him done, it might make him a bit happier and he should stop doing that
- By jas Date 11.12.03 09:41 UTC
Hello Natalie & Jeangenie, maybe its just my breeds but I've found the boys 100% better after they've been used a couple of times. The hopeful wannabes madly excited right through the bitches' seasons plus a couple of days either side but the experienced lads soon learn not to bother getting hyped up until things are just right.
- By Staffie lover [gb] Date 11.12.03 22:58 UTC
hi Jas

but dont a dog have to be used a few times to know when to weight for the right time, my dog has been used 3 times now and he still goes mad (he is getting better) but he still goes mad, so this dog would have to be used a few times to carm down, but if he is only used ones it WILL make him worse
- By Carla Date 10.12.03 22:39 UTC
You aint seen randy till you've met my rabbit... :rolleyes: :D

Personally, I'd let him calm down himself as he matures. I wouldn't let him have a taste of the forbidden fruit, as it will make him worse, how old is he?
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 11.12.03 09:13 UTC
In my experience CKC are inclined to be randy, you are lucky it is not your legs :) Getting him castrated may help but is just as likely to make it worse. Let the dogs on the receiving end deal with him if they are not happy with his attentions.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 11.12.03 09:29 UTC
Is he a CKC, though? The poster said he is a King Charles, not a Cavalier King Charles. :confused:
- By Dawn B [gb] Date 11.12.03 09:42 UTC
There are also health tests like heart testing in Cavaliers (assuming thats what he is).  Using him may also make him MORE randy and sometimes dog aggressive too.
Dawn.
- By gwen [gb] Date 11.12.03 11:53 UTC
Agree with Dawn, but dont forget to add - also can have a significant effect on house trainsing in toys!  My young pug stud was doing beauitifully in the being clean stakes until he mated his first bitch, now he cocks his leg on anything standing still - including visitors!  This is common in almost all toy breeds.

Must also say to the original poster (sorry, forgot your name) have you discussed your plans with his breeder?  If he is a Cavalier, is unshown and his parents were not big winners/producers (adding this all to his personal attributes/health tests of course) then it is unlikely he is worth using, apart from by a "pet" bitch.  As this would probably only add to the 1000s of substandard Cavs out there it is really not a good idea (sorry if this is rather harsh)  There are an awful lot of good Cavaliers who never get used, simply due to the sheer numbers of them, most show people/serious breeders want to use the top dogs.  However, there is a much smaller gene pool of King Charles, you might find that his breeder would be very glad to hear from you and that you are interested in using him at stud if he is a Charlie, not a Cav. 

Oh, and just to echo what other posters have said - you can have a pedigree full of top winning dogs and still have just a pet - I know, I have several myself!  My adorable buff boy is the nephew of our breeds dog CC record holder - love him to bits but he is definelty sub-standard (sorry Junior)  Dexter (top dog all breeds 97) and Ambrose (top Gundog 2000) our 2 superstar stud dogs have both produced far more pet quality pups than show dogs.  However, we stand a much higher chance of producing top quality pups using these boys than from a dog who has don/produced nothing at all :)
bye
Gwen 
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 11.12.03 12:43 UTC
Yes, JG you are correct, jumping to conclusions again, not that it makes a lot of difference to what has been said.
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