Hi...

What if you found yourself entering for a show, and you find out the judge was the owner of the sire of your dog? This is about to happen to me, and as this will be the very first time I have shown am unsure what course to take, if any.

Is there a conflict of interest - do I raise it... it will I suppose be on the entry form as the line of the judge is very well known and though my dog doesn't have the prefix it will obviously show if I have to enter his parents.

I don't know what the right thing to do is, or if there even is anything to 'do' - suppose this sort of thing must come up.

Advice please, I know there are judges who frequent here, and I want to do the right thing.

It is a champ show by the way, if that makes any difference?

regards Dave

You can't enter under the dogs breeder, but you can enter under the owner of the dogs sire, daft I know but those are the rules. And don't worry about it the judge will probabley not no and even if they do they should not mind.

Judges don't (should not) see the catalouge that has the dogs details until after the judge has finished all their judging.

PHEW... thank you ;). It came as a bit of a shock!

The judge owner of my dogs sire was replacing the original judge who has withdrawn for health reasons.

It makes sense they wont have a clue of the relationship, no prefix or afix of any kind on my boy... in a way it will be VERY interesting ;)) The sire is a pretty well known dog apparently, and my dog is SUPPOSED to be his dads son if you know what I mean... the breeder encouragement has prodded me into showing as it is heh ;).

Thank you very much, really appreciate the quick reply.

regards Dave

I exhibited under one of my hounds sires owner last week (WKC) there is no reason not to.
Unless you are known to this person then they will have no idea of your dogs breeding, as the judge doesnt see the catalogue until after he/she has judged. Even so, that should make no difference to their judging. I have sometimes seen a pup sired by my stallion hounds & they have been disapointing...others have clicked with the bitch & produced excellent stock. just accept the judging on the day.

I was told not that long ago that there is no KC regulation to prohibit a judge viewing a catalogue before judging - or even referring to it whilst judging. It is accepted that it isn't done but no reg's. Personally I cannot see a problem in seeing the catalogue as the judge oftimes knows most of the dogs (and their breeding) and the owners anyway.

The difference between showing under the breeder and under the owner of the stud dog is that the breeder DOES know who has the pups whereas the stud-dog owner possibly doesn't. If the sire is a good dog he may well put his stamp on his offspring and thus the judge could recognise the type rather than the dog.

I recently entered a dog under the owner of its sire - and we were not placed.
Now, ask yourself, did the judge discard our dog because of the breeding ie suggesting they felt it wrong for us to enter under them?
OR were they being hypercritical of their own breeding?
OR did they really think our dog was not worth an award?
IF we had been awarded a place would that have been because the judge was biased in favour of their own stock?

I know what I think but the questions does bear asking IMO.

I have a lovely young dog whose father's owner & husband both judge & give tickets

I know she likes him, everytime we show him she always tells people he is by her dog & how he is bred-she is very proud of her dogs puppies & commented to his breeders how nicely she thinks he is coming along

At present I do not feel comfortable showing under either her & her husband but I might do so when he is older

She is one of the doyens of the very popular breed & has bred them for over 25 years & known to be a very honest judge.

And even if I was able to show him under his breeder it is something I have never done & never would do

This has been very informative thank you.

For a newcomer to showing it was very useful. My first reaction when I was apologised to for a judge change was an inward OH NO... I had no clue who the first judge was as a newcomer, and to be truthful didn't realise this person WAS a judge, although I know they show. They are clearly a doyen [like that word so pinching it] of my dogs breed too. Very definitely in the breeding area.

They most definitely haven't a clue who I am, and like I said earlier in the thread wont pick up on my dogs name alone.. neither their prefix, nor the breeders is attached to the name.

What DOES interest me is whether they will pick up that his dad hand a hand in him.. as someone said his stamp ;) he is supposed to have a look of him so will be real fun to see what happens ;)

maybe I will post a follow up after the show and let you know what happened... theres a couple of months before the show happens so it will be a while ;).

I have been careful not to give hints on who where and when for obvious reasons, hope I've suceeded and thanks again for a very interesting set of replies. Those of us with hearts thumping at the thought of entering this world know we are often asking 'old hat' questions, and sometimes we wont ask because we dont want to appear foolish - I find this site VERY useful, but after searching lots of threads on keywords didn't come across a thread covering this.

Thank you from one of the 'show virgins'.

regards Dave

Long dog, I will have to look it up to see if there is a rule about judges not seeing the Catalogue before judging, when I have the time I will take a look. But must say I never have and I can just imagine the outcry if a judge was seen looking at it before of whilst judging, sometime you do look at the schedule, but that is to make sure the judging book is in the correct order nothing to do with the exhibits.

Sometimes someone (steward) will ask something and try to show you the catalogue and it is something you must avoid, of course, you will know most of the dogs in front of you, but it makes no difference you can some how clear your mind and still look at them afresh, the ‘blob’ at the other end of the lead is of little consequence, the only time you are aware of them is if they don’t move the dog as asked.

A slight side step from the question but am I correct in thinking that you cannot enter under a judge that has handled your dog in the ring in the last 12 months? The owner of the sire of my dog has handled zac on occasion but did not breed him, but does breed dobes.
She

She, you are correct, someone who has handled or boarded your dog during the last 12 months can't be shown under except and this also applies if it is your breeder, they are a replacement judge. It is then ok to show under them although a lot of people would not wish the but the dogs breeder in such a position, as they can't win, if they place they are corrupt, if they don't it will be said they don't even like (or know) what they have bred, or you wont speak to them again.