hello all
just joined your site and i have a couple of questions
firstly...
we have a very handsome black standard poodle he is seven months old and weighs 24kg he is growing at an alarming rate and in my opinion looks more like a royal poodle in comparison to other mature standards he was the biggest of his litter and the leader of his pack (under his mother of course) his temprement is perfect and his inteligence astounds me he is a very much loved member of my family
BUT...
could somebody please please please help what age roughly does the standard poodle finish there growing and a more personal question when can you visably see there testicals when he had his check up at the vets they said that they could feel them but hes seven months old now and i cant see anything at all let alone feel them if somebody in the know could help that would be wonderfull
thanks
louise x

Firstly there is no such thing as a Royal Poodles, this is a marketing term for people breeding large standards. Seconding if you run your finger across the front of your dogs legs there will be a bump (knuckle) on the front, if there is no bump then he has finished growing upwards, if there is a bump then he has more growing to do. There is no hard and fast rules for when a dog stops growing as each dog is an individual but usually the larger breeds finish their height growth by 18 months. Really at 7 months of age his testicles should be readily visible if they are going to drop.

Jesse

jesse
thankyou so much for replying but i do beg to differ the royal standard does exsist it is just not a recognised breed but plenty to be found but thankyou for your imformative view my poodle does have a lot more growing to do or he has nobbly knees but thanks for that tip didnt know that
louise x

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on that one but be rest assured there is no such thing as a Royal Standard, it really is a term for oversized standards. There are three sizes of poodle, Standard, Miniature and Toy. A Royal Standard is not ANOTHER breed they are pure bred poodles and it is as unlikely that any kennel club will recognise the 'Royal' in much the same way as they wouldn't recognise a 'teacup' which is a term for an undersized toy!

Jesse

Spot on, Jesse.
:)

jesse
mmmmmmm.... thankyou for your comment's and we will agree to disagree
louise x

Hi Louise,
Looking at the KC bred standards for all varieties of poodle, there is no mention at all of "Royal" Standards. If it's over 15" it is a standard, that's it. Where have you heard of them?

hi jean
if you type in royal standard poodles on your google search they just pop up a lot of the sites do try and pass standards as royals and you realy do have to go through the site's with a fine tooth comb to find the royals but they are there big huge and most elegant and to big to be a standard and at the end of the day the poodles are all the same just different in sizes hence the different names they just havent recognised the name royal as a breed but it's only a matter of time
louise x

The terminology appears to be purely unofficial, as unfortunately I can't find any definition of what height differentiates a 'standard' from a 'royal'. As the British KC breed standard does not have a maximum height for standards, they will all come under the same 'umbrella'.

Sorry
there is no such thing as Royal Poodle. It is just a name given to the standard poodle...but that is the breed..."standard poodle".
You shouldnt have to pick through websites with a fine toothed comb to find a breed. If it existed it would be listed under an official breeds list, or breeds recognised by the kennel club.
However it is not. (why not email the kennel club and ask what they think?)
steph
x
:)

I think you'll also find that the only country that has 'Royals' is America, but then they started the 'Teacup' craze too so that answers that question!

Jesse

hmmm, yes, the teacup poodle...oh dear me!
;)

Louise,
How big is "too big to be a standard"? when there is no upper limit to a standard's height?

Just curious.
:)

hello all
royals do exsist mainly in america correct the poodle is more common in america especialy as the poodle unfortunately became a fashion accesory in the late fifties i never said the royal was a breed i said it's not recognised as a breed the term royal is for larger than the average standard above 34inch same as the teacup is recognised as the smallest of the poodles at the end of the day there just names that tell you the average size of that poodle ...
anyway...just taken my boy to the vets to be told he's got to be castrated if his testies havent come down by 11months im gutted dont know what to do vet said it's inherated which i cant understand as i paid good money for a pup that has good ...very good breeding it's stupid i know but im bitterly dissapointed i wanted to breed eventually from him but not only that i just wonder now if im gonna have a unhealthy dog and huge vet bills
louise x
ps sorry for bad spelling

First of all the teacup is NOT recognised as the smallest of poodles the toy is. Teacups tend to be very unhealthy and totally unpoodle like.
Secondly with regards to your dogs testicles I personally would wait until he is about 2. I have heard stories of dogs dropping their testicles as late as that although this still should be something to worry about if considering breeding at a later stage.
I always find it very odd when people buy a male for breeding and you have to ask yourself why? If you had a small kennel of dogs then I would understand but owning a dog solely for breeding I find a little strange.
If you were serious about buying a potential stud dog then you would have made sure he had his bits at the time you bought them. Were his parents fully health tested i.e. hips, SA, VwD, eyes? If not then again you haven't done your homework properly to even consider breeding him. I presume you made your intentions to the breeder that you were buying him as a stud dog at the time of sale?
Please forget buying a male for stud work, if the dog isn't shown and not proven to be of a type liked by the poodle world then the only bitches your dog will be used on will be those that also didn't make the grade and the whole aim of breeding is to improve not to just produce puppies. You can also bet your bottom dollar that his temperament will change once he has been used.

Jesse

well said jesse!

jesse
firstly and most importantly I DID NOT BUY MY DOG TO MAKE MONEY I.E. BREEDING...
i have had dogs all my life afgan hounds,jack russels, xbreeds and our last an american pit bull called ruth who we sadly lost three years ago we were devestated when we lost ruth and after our initial grieving for her we decided we wanted another PET we did a lot of research in to many breeds of dog especially as we were prepared to pay money (never exchanged money for a PET)why would i want to line a breeders pocket...i had to do the research as we didnt want to go through all the court procedings which we had to endure with ruth(dangerous dogs act incase your not familier american pitbulls are a banned dog)we also have a large family and our home is a very busy one and out of all the dogs i looked at the standard poodle is the one for us i then proceeded in studying that particular breed of dog and i continue to study the standard poodle our boy is a very much loved and cared for he is a very much valued member of our family i did not buy him for stud but i did want to put him over our next addition a female standard which we have not got yet because i am and continue to research the whole subject of standard poodles
so please dont look down your snotty breeder nose at me and tell me to do my research
thank's so much i was only asking for a little bit of advice not to be belittled
louise

Louise if you think there are Royal Standard Poodles and Teacup Poodles that are 'recognised' then believe me you haven't researched enough. Owning a stud dog is not a light hearted thing to under take. It can (although agree not in all cases) completely alter their behaviour, they can become more territorial and aggressive to other males, they can start cocking their legs in the house, they will be experts at finding bitches in season, they can howl (usually late at night) until they can get said bitch in season or she is no longer in season. You will have to have a fool proof method of keeping the dog and bitch apart until both are ready for breeding (that could be upto 4 seasons) to prevent mating on every season or while the bitch is too young. It isn't something to take lightheartedly.
You may think I'm a snotty breeder but I care deeply for my choosen breed and know how long it takes to get it right.

Jesse

jesse
i know i havent studied enough nobody can.can they?i dont know how many times ive got to explain royals is just a term spoken to indicate a size of poodle meaning it's bigger than the standard no it's not a recognised breed same as the teacup is not a breed it's a term used in speach and speach alone crikey if id known how you lot would react i would of never of mentioned it although i do thank you for your comment's on crossing two in the home and as i have said before im still studying and no desision will be made until we get the bitch and of course she will have to be checked thoughly and our own research into the breeder's history etc etc and then that is if we still decide to go ahead with it on top of that cant see us being able to use my very fine exsample standard anyway as i would not breed if my dog or bitch had a default of which my boy has no testical's which acording to my vet is heredetry so therefore would not want that for the pup's and my boy is probably infertile so end of subject realy
cheer's
louise x

Hi Louise,
I'm sure your boy is stunningly handsome, but if he is really very big it would possibly be unsafe to mate him to a 'normal' sized bitch. This is why it is not sensible of some breeders to try to get exceptionally large or small specimens accepted.
But if he has no testicles he would be sterile, anyway.

Louise the terms Royal, Tiny Toy, Teacup etc are MARKETING terms to try to sell something to someone by making it sound special and usually for a lot of money. They are not recognised terms nor should they ever be. Poodles are either Standard sized, Miniature size or Toy size, these sizes are laid down as per the breed standard.

Jesse

I feel sorry for the prospective new owners of the pups that you are planning to produce! With such little understanding of breeding and the lines involved, the new owners won't have a clue about what they are buying.

val
so how long did you study your breed before you took the plunge if you took the time to read through the above you will see im NOT BREEDING and if by some miracle we had pup's i would obviously vet the home's and the people and you my darling would'nt stand a chance as my pup's would need there owner's with at least half a brain cell
thankyou louisex

jesse
whatever..... i cant be bothered with you at all read some of your answer's on other column's and you sound like you own a puppy farm sick sick sick
louise

Admin edit on language

You can't have read my posts properly then. Maybe you ought to go away and come back when you've grown up dear.

Jesse

read your post's properly excuse me but try practising what you preach
oh noticed you did'nt go on about the royal's this time or defend your position so therefore i believe you own and run a puppy farm poodle babe

Louise...
stop starting trouble and just grow up. This isnt the place to have petty arguments and throw around mindless insults.

Can I just remind people of part of the Terms of Service that you have agreed to :

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