My male doberman puppy is 10 months old. He has started to fight with my other dobie, a bitch 3 years old. I also have a greyhound that is 10 years old, she is top dog...do you think that the dobes are fighting for 2nd place top dog??

He, the 10 month old dobie is also barking alot, not all the time, but it is getting quiet annoying. Any advice on this this would be great. He has a tail and no papers...does this make him any less a dobermann??

Thinking of rehoming him and getting a fermale dobie as they dont bark as much, but I am very fond of him.

Charley

You would rather rehome him rather than train him or find out why he is doing it ?
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No that would be a last resort, as I said I am very fond of him, but I live in a built up area, and already had one compaint from a neighbour.
The dobermann that is 3 years old was from a breeder, and put down a £200 deposit on a dobe, but got this male instead for free. This dobe breeder has said that my £200 depsit still stands, so would only have to get £300 to get this brown female...trouble is I want them both now!!!!

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trip trap or very inconsiderate and selfish :( :(

Well thank you for all you advice, it was very helpful, not :( ...especialy from a Dobe breeder!!

I have now dicided to keep my male, as I could not part with him, but I did just want some advice.

The breeder wants me to get rid of him and buy one of hers, and of cause she has the one I want, but she only wants my money really, after all its her living.

So my orignal question still stands....because he has no papers, and a tail, does this make him any less a dobermann?
Why is this fround upon by breeders?...surly a dobe is a dobe??

Dobermans arent my breed so I cannot answer the tail question for you although there is a thread at present where someone mentions that they ask the new owners to be whether they want pups tail docked or not so I would imagine it is acceptable .
Doesnt make him any less of a dobe with no papers as long as you have some sort of pedigree and all his ancestors are of course dobes ( meaning he isnt a cross). You just cant show without papers and of course it would impact on breeding .
I really hope you do keep him . He is only a baby and with correct training you can teach him to stop barking . I would also steer away from a breeder that is trying to force a pup on me especially if he/she knew of the problems you were having and tying to make you rehome a 10 month pup :(
I also know of people who have two females and they also have problems - they fight when in heat etc so by getting a female instead of a male doesnt automatically remedy the situation .

I don't understand your question, why should his tail be an issue. If you got him to show and he has no papers then you are out of luck, but if both his parents are dobermanns then he is a dobermann. He is your pet and you love him right? How can you be thinking of re-homing him one minute then deciding to keep him the next, just because he is barking. Who says female dobes don't bark as much? Is that an official statistic?:rolleyes: Where does him having a tail come into this? Why don't you put your efforts into training him? Some breeder you go to if she wants you to get rid of a dobe in order to buy one of hers. Quite frankly I wouldn't go near a breeder with that attitude, especially if she is just in it for the money, but lets not go down that road in this thread.
Bev (true dobe lover)

As I said in my posts, rehoming him would be a last resort.

I am keeping him and putting more effort into him, as he deserves it.

But I thought this breeder had proved me right in what they said about him when I first got him at 14 weeks old, as I did not know where he had come from as I didnt see his parents or the breeder, as I got him second hand so to speak. But his parents are both dobermanns.

The breeder was out raged that I had got a dobe with a tail, and no papers. But I myself do not see this as a problems, as he I only ever going to be a pet, and I have no intention of breeding him.

If anyone has any advice about barking, it would be very welcome.

When is he barking? What time/s of day or night? Do you know what sets him off? Until you know what is causing it, you won't be able to stop it. Also bear in mind that a Dobermann is a guarding dog - and barking is part of the job!
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Thanks Jean
He is not barking at night, he is very quiet at night. Things set him off in the day time, but he does stop barking after a burst.

I think it is more of a problem at the moment as we have our back door open, because of the hot weather we are having. The nieghbour also has there doors and windows open like wise. They are sitting in there garden alot of the time, and he goes and has a bark at them.

Saying this, it is not constant barking, like you say he has a guarding instinked in him, and his is very strong. I have started doing more training with him and it is helping. Letting him also have more freedom in the house too, as he was barking cos I was keeping him away from the family cos he wasnt house trained, but he is clean in the house now, so he can have free roam of the house.

He was banned from the living room,as he kept cocking his leg up the settee, and this was when he would bark as well, when I was in there and he wasnt.

I suppose I have it sorted now....it wasnt him, it was me that was the problem.

Sorry if I have upset anyone on here, but I am a good dog owner. I am not selfish either. Like any woman...just trying to keep everyone happy!!

Charley

Ok Charley perhaps you got off on the wrong foot with the way you phrased your questions. You must remember everyone on here loves their dogs and to hear someone say they are thinking of rehoming a dog just because he has started barking was bound to get peoples hackles up:D So if the only problem now really is his barking and you have sorted out his housetraining problems is seems as if you are putting in the work, so don't give up on this now. I assume you are around during the day, when he barks. Establish exactly what it is, if anything at all, that sets him off. Give him a command to 'be quiet' when he barks, when he stops praise him. Continue in this way and hopefully it will start to pay dividends. Only make sure you aren't giving him too much attention when he is barking as this may have an adverse affect. My dobe is 7 months old and has only recently started barking. She was barking at the neighbours when they appeared in their garden, but I gave her the command to 'be quiet' each time and today actually is the first time I have noticed that she hasn't barked upon seeing the neighbour, so I am certain we are making good progress. If you love your dogs you owe it to them to ensure they are sociable and happy dogs and only you can do that.
Bev

My first dog got (a Belgian shepherd, also a working/Guarding breed) into a dreadful habit of running along the frence barking as soon as the neighbours backdoor clicked she would be off on one. It started when she was tiny (it was actually excitement at seeing him, as she liked them) when it was just an excited huffing, but as she grew it progressed to a blood curdling scream.

What I did was put a four foot fence across my garden so that she ohnly had about 20 feet of the 60 foot fence to run along, and I was able to catch her when she started and make her go inside. I spent several days making her go inside each and every time she even squeaked. Very quickly as soon as she heard the word "In" shouted she started running in of her own accord.

I did the same for barking at the back gate when anyone came. "that will do, In". This has proved invaluable with my subsequent breed of dog who are known for liking to tell you about everything, but are not as wired as the BSD.

Rewarding them when they comply with the "In" command also helps things along.

Obviously you do not want to stop him barking at appropriate times, so when the door bell goes, say Good boy, now quiet, as soon as he is quiet, then give him a treat and answer the door.

If you are consistent he will learn that he won't get to stay outside if he barks, and also that you don't answer the door until he is quiet.

I would also introduce him to the neighbours that he will see eiother side. they will then become familiar to him, and therefore something he does not need to warn you about.

I've done just the same as you, Brainless, with mine! So I can vouch that the method works! When they bark outside, they have to come is straight away. Now they only bark for a 'real' reason, not just the neighbours making a noise.
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How on earth would having a tail make your Dobe any less than a Dobe? Like you said his parents are both Dobes so therefore he IS Dobe maybe just not KC reg but does that really matter?! and like you also said you do not see the fact that he has not got a tail as a problem, so why ask the question? And yes do put more effort into him, he DOES deserve it!

As a dobe owner and lover (of a docked dobe) I would say that his tail makes him even more a dobe! I wanted an undocked dobe and it still makes me a bit sad that I can't see my pup wagging his tail. Dobes have such a massive enthusiasm for life ... the smallest speck of dust is a big adventure. Enjoy your dog's ability to be as expressive as he wants to be!

Jo

Thank you all for your replys.....I am going to try them all..I do love him dearly...and much regret my off the cuff remark about re homing him...I wasnt thinking....just panicing.

I love his tail.....as it wags with delight at the slightest thing....does hurt a bit if he gets you with it though.

Him being able to be with me in every room has helped alot...suppose he just wanted to be with me....just took me a while to work that one out!

So my panic over now

Hi

I see you have decided to rehome your boy on another site - did the training not work then?

Chloe :)

Come on now, Chloe, be fair. Charley tried the training way for a whole week......

I just checked and the ad was put up on Aug 7th - so perhaps they have decided to keep their dog? Be interesting to see what happens though ;)

But the "panic was over" on the 10th - didn't the ad come down?

Maybe this is why free pedigree dogs aren't such a good idea. For the sort of people who will dump the dog with another family, without a seconds thought, as soon as a minor problem emerges, despite the fact that the pup, once adult, would die fighting to protect you. Maybe the hit to the wallet will at least make these people think twice.

A dog is a massive investment, it costs both time and money, and as such, should only be purchased when you are 100% sure the time is right.

Dogs bark.

Dogs fight with other dogs.

Dogs need to be trained.

Dogs eat food, which costs money.

Dogs, if rehomed, grieve.

We all know this, and yet, before reaching adulthood, yet another dog is on his way out the door. Probably to be bounced around from family to family, until the novelty wears off, and then it's off to the dogs home.

I mean, come on! You're thinking of rehoming him because he barks, and its 'quite annoying'. What did you think he was going to do?



I hope you gave the dog a chance like you said you would, as 'the dog was barking' has to be one of the more head-shaking reasons I've heard for kicking out a valued and loved member of the family.

Hope this isn't to late to help but have a suggestion to tackle this problem from a diffrent angle, use when he is barking to do this on command and at the same time to stop barking usual methods praise when doing what you want be it food or strokeing and voice loads of repepetion in short burts and you should have this solved .good luck.