I recently visited a breeder to view a litter of pups.

During the viewing I was informed that the litter would only be registered with the Kennel Club if the breeder decided to breed from one of the bitches.

Having never come across this before I wondered if this is normal practice or should I be concerned at this attitude.

Anyone have any opionions or ideas?

Many Thanks

Bing

P.S. reply privately if you prefer.

In my opinion, a straightforward breeder registers all of their puppies, all of the time!

Completely agree with Val. I would not entertain an unregistered puppy. I know some breeders do it but at best it smacks of penny pinching to me. At worst a fiddle!

Regards, John

i'm confused!. can a breeder wait until they have checked if the dog is a good specimin to breed from before registering?. will they then just register that dog or all the litter?. can they inform the kc that they have decided they want to breed and they want to register their dog??. .

correct me if I'm wrong anyone. I think you have until the litter is twelve months to register it, but even then what does the breeder do?? keep all the litter til they decide which is breeding quality or not??
Alison

I'd find another breeder, this one doesn't sound ideal. I agree all puppies should be KC registered whether they are show quality or not.

There are some breeders in my breed who will not register pups they don't want shown and don't want to be bred from. They are then sold strictly without papers. As long as this is done honestly and with no attempt to deceive and the purchaser is told the truth I don't really see any problem other than that it distorts the statistics of colours and coats etc when studying the breeders supplement.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

If a breeder does not register a litter it is for the wrong reasons. Do not be taken in.

It only costs £12 per puppy to register them so there is no real excuse or none that would ever convince me. The register system is on place for a reason and a good reason.

Pamela

I don't agree. Although I have always registered my own pups I know people who feel that they see absolutely no need to put money into the kennel club coffers for nothing when they are sure they do not want a pup to be shown or bred from. As long as they are totally honest about it I see no problem. They are totally reputable people and I would reject any suggestions that it is necessarily for the wrong reasons.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

Sorry Joan ,

Not personally challenging you but :

Is a wrong reason not " just to save money"

I think selling unregistered puppies encourages unregistered breeding but that is only my opinion. I think that is the £12 fee is an issue ask the people buying to pay it. If you are selling a puppy as pedigree it should be registered.

I personally do not think that £12 is a huge amount although I think that the transfer from Breeder to Owner should be free.

I think most people who breed a litter and they are not going to be shown or bred from don't generally see it as going into the KC coffers but part of monitoring particular breds birth quantites. It helps track puppies, lines and breeders. I think to have this facility it is worth £12.
Pam

Pam
In my breed it is possible (but extremely unusual) to have amongst a litter a 'blue' or a 'chocolate' Griffon. Both are dogs without the correct pigment and nails, nose etc will all be wrong. If someone was to register one of those what colour should they put on the registration form? If they put blue or chocolate they shouldn't be accepted as these are not recognised colours for a Griffon. Obviously we wouldn't want one of these to be bred from nor would we want to see them in the show ring. I know that other breeds have similar defects, would you register a deaf or blind puppy? If as you say all puppies should be registered because of monitoring birth quantities then any puppy that dies before it is old enough to be sold should also be registered.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth.

I hear what your saying Joan, but my view is yes they should all be registered regardless. I cannot support any reason for not registering them more so after some of the scams I have recently heard of in my own breed.

Wrong pigment or colour I think is not a factor. Most breeds with colour with have slight variations on a rare occasion but that puppy should be registered and endorsed. It being very rare means it is not regular.

Look at boxers. White ones can't be shown but I "think" they are still registered along with endorsements. I am sure when I got my boxer there was 5 in the litter and all 5 were registered.

Just my thoughts Joan, I know you register yours so not really directed personally at you.

Pam