a long haired weimaraner as i have just seen a litter advertised it says they are very rare but it looks like they are crossed with some ort of spaniel to me as they have long ears

No they do exist!!
Archer

yes, they are real, they are not a cross. They arent common but you do get them

Have a look here for information.

thanks to everybody who replied. as ive never seen one b4 and it confused me a bit which isnt hard :)

Weim's do have long ears (compared to Dobes anyway). The long haired variety are not docked unlike the the short coated version.

Christine

Did you know that.................you can also get long haired vizslas though they cannot be used for showing. (working no problem so it could hypothetically get to crufts if it was mad a field trail champion I think - though someone please let me know) It is a throwback gene to just after the war when they were numerically very small and some were crossed with irish setters (or something I believe) and that produces a very occasional long hair vizsla. There must be a similar explanation for the weimeraners but not my breed so dont know. Incidently you also get long hair german pointers so there must have been quite alot of cross breeding with all the short hair breeds prob all at about the same sort of time cos all had the same sort of prob in that part of Europe.
End of lesson for today - hope this helps

There was one long-haired undocked weimeraner at one of the shows at Basildon - apart from being the same colour, it almost appeared to be a completely different breed! Even the way of standing it - with the tail held out (well obviously - you can't do that with a dock!).

Made me realise how different Aussies would be if they were undocked.

Hi ya

If a longhaired Vizsla ever gets born in this country (the gene is thought to only be still active in one line) there will be a race to own it, (even though it is considered a fault!) I would be one of them, they are lovely and remain undocked. Still in the mean time planning a wirehair for after crufts. The longhair will just have to wait.

To comment on your docking comment, I saw my first undocked Vizsla a couple of months back, it looked well strange, never thought that the removal of dew claws, or the non removal of dew claws with a long tail could change the appearance of a dog so much. I have no idea of the damage to their house, but Rossis' tail is a whip that can clear any low table in one passing and he is three quarter docked!! Good Luck the owners of a undocked Vizsla, they must have terrific bruises on their legs!!

Liz

Lokis mum, where abouts in Basildon do they have dog shows and what sort, breed specific or fun?We live in Southend and dont usually have much doggy things going on , though i have heard of one in Rochford a couple of years ago i still cant find any info on it?Thanks

Hi Sullysmum

The Basildon shows are at the Longwood, Dry Street Equestrian Centre, shows are also held at Blackmore (Nr Brentwood), Braintree, Norton Heath and Southend. I'm not sure which shows are on where (or when) at the moment, but they are advertised in the Doggy Press - Dogs World or Our Dogs.

There is also the Discover Dogs weekend at Brentwood - great fun!

Sorry to be so vague - but I'm at work as I reply & can't put my hands on the actual info!

Regards

Margot

Chelmsford & District CS have a show at Towerlands (Braintree) on 4th October, I have not seen any yet advertised for Basildon. I have the number for the Chelmsford show, if you are interested.

Liz

Hello Hadley
You can also get a wirehair Viz crop up in a litter of smooths (read about it somewhere?) There is a picture of a long haired Viz in one of my Vizsla books (The complete Hungarian Vizsla by Gay Gottlieb) Quoted from the book: "The long-haired Vizsla is not recognised as a separate breed in Hungary, nor in any other country. There is no breed standard, although the Weimaraner and the German Short-haired Pointer both have such mutations and these are accepted as pure-bred and registered as such.
In Britain they appear in litters from time to time, and although they cannot be shown or field-trialled, this delightfully attractive Vizsla gathers admirers wherever it is seen.
It is reported that in 1937 an Irish Setter was mated to a short-haired Vizsla, Kobra Z Povazio, which would appear to be the origin of long-hairs today. Louise Petrie Hay (Waidman) one of the pioneers of the breed, deduces that long hair, when present, is a dominant gene; thus the throwback can be produced from mating two short-hairs."
It also says in my book that long-hairs are highly regarded in the field - they tend to have the setting stance of the Setter, rather than the higher stance of the Pointer. It takes a few days to recognise a long-haired whelp and the difference becomes apparent as the coat grows wavy on the ears and long hair appears between the toes!! :)

Hi ya

Yep I did know I have the same book!! ;) Have also done loads of internet reading, amazing what you can find out. The wirehairs that crop up in a litter of smooths tend not to be very wirey though, (well the one I have seen wasnt.) We were watching the wires at East of England and some of them looked like smoothies with a wire line down their back and a beard!! I think I prefer my wires wirey and the smoothies smooth, but I would love a longie!! :D

Liz

Dunno where I read this, or whether it is accurate, but apparently the long hair in Weims is a recessive trait, and when the long coat was seen as a fault and some effort was made to breed out the trait, it was found that the gene family controlling hair length was linked to some hormonal problem (thyroid? I think?), and that getting rid of long hair increased the incidence of thyroid(?) problems. Amazing what you can drag up out of the back of your head, innit? lol. So the trait remains in the population and you get long hairs occasionally in litters of smooths from generations of smooth parents. But I guess you'd only get long coats from two long coated parents. Prefer the smooth coat of the two myself, but then grooming is not my favourite thing ever!

off topic but hiya Mair :)

You still just got the two or did hubby manage to get the third? ;)

Sara xx

Hello Sara, long time since we spoke! No Hubby didn't get Viz number three yet (he really likes the wirehair Viz, but I like my smoothies - have to say I think the wirehairs look really expressive - but not too keen on all the hoovering that might come with owning a hairy dog!!)
How are your goldies?

Hadley, I've got the newer version of Gay Gottliebs book too......and there is a bit in it about the long haired Viz (cute puppy picture on page 81) How many Vizslas do you own? I've got 2 girls - Scarlet 4, and Ava 2.

Hi Mair

Yep got the new book too!!! Got one little man Viz Eros 14 months. Also got Staffie Dex 5 years. Am hoping to get a wirehair next year after crufts. What breeding you got? (can email me privately if you prefer)

Liz

Hi Hadley

Scarlet (my 4 year old):- Kennel name "Vivonne Vagta" - her mum was "Collibidaw fancy that" and her dad was "Hookside Solt"

Ava (my 2 year old):- her kennel name is "Glengelt Ava" - her mum is "Brekengelt Elsa" and her dad is "Birse Apollo"

(Avas mum was also sired by Hookside Solt - so Scarlet is her Aunty - I was quite supprised when I realised the connection between them because we got Scarlet from Redding and Ava came from Dumfries!) :)

Like the name Eros, my hubby wants a big brave boy Viz.......I don't think we've got enough room for anymore though ;)

Hi Mair

I wouldnt go so far as to call Eros Brave but he good at barking, and Dexter does all the brave stuff, Rossi hovering behind him till he sure it safe!! He is Roytan bred sired by Galfrid with Pitswarren grandparents. Do you show? How are you doing? Qualified yet? Or do you work them? I am waiting for Eros to return a dummy to me properly then we may think about starting field trails.

Liz

I live very close to southend and know the long haired you are talking about, they are sometimes docked but only the last few vertebrae of the tail, the long haired are supposed to look like a short coated[if they had no coat] wei but I havnt seem many with the subsatnce of a short coated....

Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to your post, (haven't called in 'til now). I don't show or work my Vizslas . The Roytan Vizslas are from Scotland aren't they?
I wouldn't say my girls are pampered pooches .......but I can't even get a space on my sun lounger - because the dogs have taken up residence on them (LOL!!!!) ;)

Hi Mair

Sorry for delay, Roytan from Sussex. Not sure how much more working we will be doing as he has just hurt his hip. :( Just hoping we get the OK to go to Richmond, vet has recommend complete rest for a week!! Have you tried not taking out a Viz!!? It is a nightmare!!

Hope you keeping well

Liz

Yes there are such things as long haired Weimaraners; I have two! It is not a fault or a throwback but been recognised in its country of origin since 1933 and everywhere else bar USA where it is considered a fault! There have been two Longhaired champions in this country both males and some very successful ones in the field and working trials. They are shown in the same classes as shorthairs and the tails are no longer docked at all as they were in the past. The LH weimaraner is exactly the same as the SH except with hair! There are one or two lines with great substance (not all good dogs are seen in the showring)!

My Twiggy (Fursdon Twylyte Tramontano BH CDex UDex WDex 2 x TD Opens) is the first longhaired dog to be the Weimaraner Association's Top Dog for two consecutive years (born on 13.5.00) and Best All Round Longhair for two consecutive years. She is the first UK Weimaraner ever to have achieved a BH in Schutzhund, qualified to work "ticket" in Working Trials by the age of 2 1/2 in only 11 months winning 5 of her 8 trials and coming 2nd in one. She has also recently started agility in July gaining 7 clear rounds and a couple of places. She was placed 2nd in her first gundog working test and has several 1sts in the show ring.

My lad, who I rehomed last year, will hopefully be half as successful!

If you mate LH to LH you will only get LH
If you mate SHC (carrier) to LH you can get both
If you mate SHC to SHC you can get both
If you mate SH to LH you will only get SH

Hopefully this clears up any confusion

Allyson

A friend of mine I think brought the first LH into the country He had not had any of his tail docked & was a gorgeous boy

Ann Jansen bought the first longhair into this country at the same time that a longhair was born in the UK; Mafia Man of Monroes.

In 1968 ? I don't mean for showing this was a working dog

Well history tells us (and by that I mean the definitive work on weimaraners written by Gillian Burgoin president of the Weimaraner Association, plus books by Patsy Hollings of Gunalt fame) that the first longhaired dog imported into this country was that by Anne Jansen. However if you know differently we would all like to know especially during this Golden Jubilee year of the Weimaraner Club of Great Britain. The year was 1973.

Well I was in my last year at school & that was 1968 He was a working gundog brought over by a family friend who had been living in Germany & who retired back to the uk when his wife died

I think he was quarantined in West Yorks & came out of Q in the July/August time & Graham returned to his native Scotland in 197? Sadly he died in 1984 & I don't think he ever bred from his dog He was definitely a LC but can't supply any more details I don't know anything about his breeding etc He probably never bothered with the KC registration in the UK as he always used male dogs & bought new dogs in. He had been a gamekeeper in England before going abroad but there are & were lots of Graham MacDonalds out there:D so it's a bit difficult to trace him & for the life of me I can't remember the dog's pet name either

I lost touch with his only son who was living in Sweden in the 1990's he is/was a Graham too

This is really interesting; love to know more; the WCGB Golden Jubilee show is on 13 September so if you have any more info I would love to have it to bring before the committee! Thanks a lot.:)

I did have a picture of him with his working cockers & the weim complete with kilt-Graham that is in the kilt-but where it is or if I still have it after these years is doubtful. The cottage were he lived near settle was knocked down in the 90's & a housing estate built in it's place-so very sad If he was still alive he'd be in his v late 90's or even over 100, I never did know his age & he never seemed to age-must have been the beard:) My greatuncle who he was in the homeguard WWII with died in the 90's too. He told me when I saw his dog that he had been told no one else in the UK had one(oops I thought it was a cross at the time)

Gosh you've made me feel v old now lol

Lots of people still do think they are a cross :). I have had the following said:

Is that a breed?
When does the hair and tail fall off?
What is crossed with the weimaraner?
It is half a weimaraner
What an unusual colour for a setter?

etc etc etc (LOL)

hello everyone,
hi tohme, are you the lady with the long haireds that has done WT in Herts/Beds area?.If you are, I have to agree that your dogs are beautiful. (If your not, apologies, I'm sure that your dogs are lovely too!!)Many congrats on obtaining BH in Schutzhund. no mean feat!!

With the exception of the above lady (If she is who I think she is), I have to admit that the only other long-haireds that I have seen have all been young ones and very 'fine boned', even the dogs. That said, they all had fantastic natures-the more the merrier.

Ali

I am allyson and I probably have done a WT in that area at some point! (LOL); I live in Wiltshire. Thanks for the congrats.

Hi there! I found this board this morning, and had to join in!

How lovely to hear from someone else who's constantly challenged about their dog's breeding! When we walk Cassie in High Wycombe, we are so often asked those questions (apart from "when does the hair & tail fall off?") - some others are:
She must be half retriever
What's she crossed with?
There's definitely some Weimaraner in there somewhere!

There is a general consensus, though, that she is a georgeous dog, and I can't agree more... She may not be as heavily built as some of the big, heavy SH Weimaraners, but she's as fast, and as clever as them! (and has an un-canny knack of being able to spot another Weim over a field away!!)
We've only ever seen two other LH since we met Cassie and her parents 7 years ago. One, in High Wycombe, who has since passed away at the grand age of 14, and the other, a young male, in Brussels.

The WCGB has its golden jubilee this year and the championship show is being held at Chesford Grange Hotel in Warks on Saturday 13 September; there will be a fair few longhaired dogs there I expect especially as the bitch judge is from Holland and breeds them herself!

I am looking for Long-Haried Weims in the United States. Do you know any breeders here or are you willing to make arrangements for one of your Weims to be shipped to the states?

Thanks,

Ty

I don't breed.  There are longhaired weimaraners bred in the US (the only country in the world where the LH variant is not officially recognised) but very few. 

If you are looking for one the best bet is to get in touch with the AKC or the Canadian KC to make enquiries.  Otherwise if you would like to pm me I can put you in touch with a reputable breeder who may consider exporting one and who has someone in Canada waiting for one for two years!

HTH

Am considering fostering/owning a longhaired Vizsla from Hungary.  Does anyone know if she can compete in Working Tests?  I am thinking not??

Many thanks

I've not heard of a LH Vizsla.  Do you mean wirehaired? 

If there is such a thing as a LH Vizsla, it would depend on whether this is considered to be a variant of the SH Vizsla (as with the Weimaraner) or whether it is considered to be a totally separate breed.  If a separate breed, then you would not be able to compete in gundog working tests until that breed is recognised by the UK KC.  Sometimes with the discretion of the club concerned you might be able to compete 'not for competition' and just for your own benefit, but your dog's score wouldn't be counted. 

If the LH Vizsla is considered to be a variant of the SH, then of course you could import one and compete. 

Wirehaired Vizslas have been recognised here for some time now so you could compete with one of those easily.

This is all assuming you are talking about gundog working tests.  If you are referring to working trials, you could compete with any breed of dog even a crossbreed.

You can indeed get LH Vizsla's, I've been researching them for a few months now, and found a few mentions of them. From what I've read they occasionally pop up in WH litters, not sure about smooth coats as it's the WH I've been looking at.

I guess whether they exist as a distinct coat-type depends on those in the breed in the country of origin and how they recognise the LH coat.  For eg:  WHV coats are very variable at the moment, some of them looking almost like a smooth haired Viz but with a few whiskers.  Others have a massive woolly or fluffy coat.  They are all recognised as WHV, by breed, though.  Whether the LH Viz is recognised as just being yet another variation on the WH coat, or a distinct coat type, depends on what the breed club in the country of origin decides...

Technically I believe they aren't recognised anywhere.  Although as they apparently crop up in both wirehair & smooth hair litters, they could just be registered as such - but obviously not shown - but presumably could compete in gundog competitions.  Their coats are quite distinct from wires (even though the wire coat varies from almost smooth through wire to wooly - and a wide variance in colour).  The LH are as dark as the smooths - but have long silky hair and a feathered tail.

It's quite difficult to find out about them as some feel it is evidence of cross-breeding.  In fact it's even difficult to find pictures.  They look fairly similar to an Irish Setter.  I believe the pups are usually culled - they are particularly unpopular in Hungary.

They sound amazing if they look like Irish setters...

Have managed to find some pictures & although their tails show feathering, they are much shorter coated than Irish Setters.  But difficult to tell as I would say the one on this website is pretty young so its coat may not have come in fully.  I would say their coats are a similar length to the WHV, but soft and pretty straight - here is a link:

http://longhairvizsla.com/Welcome.html

We shall see - I might well go to Hungary next week to meet her - apparently she is about 5 months old and well socialised with dogs & humans.  No abuse - just a bit of neglect.

I saw a long haired weimaraner in the vets the other day and had to ask what breed it was as I didnt know you could get long haired weimaraners. He was a very handsome boy and I fell in love with him. I would love one of these they are really lovely and look so different from the short haired variety. It did look like some sort of blue setter.

Oh dear, Weimaraners only come in one colour, that is grey.

If you saw a blue pointing dog which purports to be a LHW it will be registered as a Weimaraner "colour not recognised" (unfortunately).

> Have managed to find some pictures & although their tails show feathering, they are much shorter coated than Irish Setters.

Did some googling earlier and did find a pic of an adult one - bit more orangey than an Irish Setter and different shape of course, but looked very attractive to me.

ginjaninja - I'd be very wary about a breeder who purports to be breeding for this coat type alone.  As far as I'm aware there has been the odd longer coated dog born in UK wire-haired litters but this coat is very uncommon and almost always sold with breeding endorsements.  I don't believe the rarity of such a coat should make a dog any more desirable - in fact I think the opposite.  They could be very attractive but I just don't see the need to selectively breed it in given that the wire haired coat was developed for a particular terrain and the long hair fulfils no particular practical purpose or function AND would require very narrow breeding decisions to deliver it

I have wires and while this breed continues to develop consistency and quality of coat there is certainly more than enough variation in the wire-haired coat to satisfy most buyers. 

There is a little more information abut Vizsla coat types here

Hi Dogs a babe - I think you've misunderstood - sorry to have confused.  The long hair in question is a rescue.  She occurred in a litter of wires in Hungary.  Long hairs are very unpopular in Hungary and so she will likely be homed in the UK by me.  She will not be bred from & can't be shown.  Technically I now believe she could be registered as a wire as she is from 2 wires - but the old owner is keen to cull her & so unlikely to provide her papers.  The only benefit that that registration might have given me is an understanding of her lines and perhaps the ability to compete in gundog.

I plan to compete in Working Trials with her (for which she only needs to be on the activity register) if she enjoys it - and hopefully she will feel the cold a bit less than my smooth.