I apologise if this is not seen fit for discussion on this forum and understand that it may be removed,but i was just wondering what other peoples opinions of the RSPCA are.As well as owning 2 dogs we also own 5 snakes and know that the RSPCA are trying to bring in a law to prohibit people from owning exotic animals,which obviously is not going to place them in my good books.I haven't had any dealings with them personally but have heard that they are not too crash hot at doing the job they advertise themselves as doing.Your opinions will be greatly recieved whatever they are(remember we all have a right to our own!)
Thank you :)

Hmmmmmmmm

My opinion of the RSPCA is, in all honesty, unprintable. I just received some more propaghanda from them this morning, an letter with a picture of a dogs bowl on it, with a pebble stuck to the page.
My question on recieving this is, if they have so much money that they can pay people to stick flipping pebbles to bits of paper, errrrr why do they not do more to help animals?

The issue of keeping exotic animals/reptiles is a different one, the RSPCA spends the majority of its money on politics and legal stuff, i believe.
Personally, so long as these animals they wish to ban are kept in appropriate conditions, and are captive bred, i dont really have a problem with it. At the very least, its much easier to provide guidelines and laws regarding the keeping of these animals, than it is to enforce a complete ban.
As we have seen with the DDA, banning keeping certain animals outright basically doesnt work, and DOES cause more problems than it solves.

Thats just my two pennorth.

Em

I can only say that approx 8 years ago I came across 3 kids with a small owl in our park on a shortish length of rope, throwing it into the air to make it fly, the rope was clearly too short, so the poor bird kept crashing to the ground - the children were clearly too young to be responsible for such an animal. I followed them home to get the address, gave this the RSPCA, who duly visited, only to tell me, it's okay, they have a licence/don't need a licence, can't remember which I was so incensed! On a couple of other occassions I have reported owners I felt were not caring for their dogs well enough, for them to not even bother checking them out, so long as dogs have access to water, a minimum of food and shade apparently there is little that can be done, I always found our dog warden of more help.

I apologise in advance if this annoys anyone, I am sure there are some great inspectors out there, I just haven't been lucky enough to come across one yet

Hayley

Personally I think the RSPCA care more about money than animals..............Sorry if that offends anybody ;-)

Why do you think I (and my B-i-L who was an Inspector) left?

i agree i myself reported someone three times to the rspca for neglecting his dog, and not once did they follow it up, poor thing died not long after that, the rspca are nothing like how they show them to be on the telly.

I think that's the whole point it's an image they are getting you to buy into, it's all about image, "They can't see the animals throught the balance sheets"

Lots of people in the RSPCA care, but sadly business sense has taken over from common sense.

Karen

kazzstaf , I have tried to e-mail you direct but I am receiving undelivered mail. Would you check it please.

a few years ago my friend and i found a GSD dog, he had no fur on his body and starving, he was outside a shop, we run in and bought food for him, then the owner of the shop came to look and like us was sickend what he saw,i phoned the R.S.P.C.A. and told them and was told by a snooty cow that i should phone the dog warden, or the local police. neither would help, so i phoned them back and said the dog needs medical attention and was in agony, nope no one came, the shop owner took the dog in and after a long and expensive treatment by a private vet he kept the dog, as no one came forward. when i see the ad i think of that poor dog and the treatment he recived :(

Look at the Watchdog website you will learn more than you want to know about the RSPCA. I wrote two letters to the Director General asking pertinent questions. She replied a month later evading my questions but quoted all the statistics relating to the work of the RSPCA. Having researched them over a period of twenty years most of their statistics are conjured out of midair. They do nothing for us in Wales apart from collect money, they do not take in strays , quoting erroneously that they are not allowed to, do not help people on benefit, nor help injured animals. We know from experience. Only 3p in the pound is spent on the animals. If they had set up neutering clinics twenty years ago we would not be spending twelve hrs per day working.

What I think of the RSPCA is unprintable. How anyone can work for them and sleep at night I will never know, that they collect so much money and use so little for the purpose intended is beyond belief. It amazes me that they manage to retain their charitable status, since most of the money now seems to be used for their own advancement.

Just visited the official RSPCA website out of curiosity.

Some of the information on the site is truly mind boggling, did you know ?

There are 328 Uniformed RSPCA Inspectors and 146 Animal Collection officers in England and Wales.
The RSPCA has annual running costs of £78 MILLION

Either that is one very top heavy society or the Inspectors and Animal collection officers are very very well paid

Re. the Watchdog site where is it?? I went to the BBC Watchdog site and there was no mention that I could find :( I must be looking in the wrong place

This is a subject that has interested me for a while, and to that end, im still up at half 3 in the morning!

Anyways, i have found some interesting stuff! hehehe,

These are quotes i have found on the net, though, it being this time in the am, i forget where, when i find them again, ill credit them to the relevant sources.

"At present, the RSPCA puts down more animals than any other charity: in 1995, no less than 71,596. Of that number, 25,661 were deemed too sick or too injured to live. The RSPCA claims it doesn't have the facilities to keep animals for long if no new home is found, and after seven days they can be put down. It blames the high number of animal deaths on the public for irresponsible animal ownership. Ten years ago, the RSPCA announced that it would stop killing healthy dogs, but to date nothing much has changed The destruction figures for l 996, as yet unpublished are expected to show a rise in the numbers of animals destroyed, with a much higher proportion deemed too sick or injured to live. "

Yes, i know thats a bit old, but not much has changed. Oh, and for the record, the RSPCA regard Kennel cough as an acceptable reason to put a dog down!

......."it's important to grasp the relationship between local branches and HQ. The branches are semi-independent but ultimately answerable to the RSPCA HQ in Horsham via ten RSPCA regional boards. But funds raised locally through any of the RSPCA's 200 branches don't go to local projects but to headquarters, the source of many branch versus HQ disputes, The branches pay an annual membership fee to HQ of £4,000 and, in return, are able to use the good name of the RSPCA, which handles all prosecutions against perpetrators of animal cruelty"

I have also found a fair amount of stuff relating to the RSPCA 'stealing' the glory for various projects, letting other charitys do all the costly and time consuming leg work, and then stepping in at the last moment. One case is the Pet Passport Scheme, which was campaigned for many years by a group called Passports for Pets. At the last minute, and making a complete u turn from supporting quarantine laws, the RSPCA stepped in and claimed all the credit.

There is also much evidence of the RSPCA acting as if they have similar rights to the police, ie that of being able to gain entry to private property, and also to remove animals without consent. They have also been known to threaten people with such things as having their children taken from them, if they dont hand over animals. This is also bourne out by the way the inspectors uniforms look similar to a police uniform, and the titles 'Inspector, Chief Inspector' taht they give themselves.

There is also shockingly evidence of inspectors mis-identifying animals, one case where they mistook a tortoise for a terrapin, despite the owner asking for it back, as it had escaped, the tortoise in question was eventually put down, because "it was trying to escape from the cat carrier it was being held in"!!!!!!

Ill leave you all with that little lot for now, and go back to nosing about, oh, and by the way, its almost exactly the same in Australia, the RSPCA there are no different from here!

Ill go an see what other pies they have fingers in!

Em (having a good nosey!!!)

Sorry Dill, I should have given you the correct heading. RSPCA Watchdog, you will find all their newsletters written by ex-council members of the RSPCA.
It is also well known that all the National Animal Charities do very little apart from fund raise and protect their image and are unrepentent regarding stealing small organisation's material , The NCDL who know very little about puppy farming are apparently having media coverage on this subject and will contact anyone who has knowedge of this practice to obtain information for themselves. The Breeding & Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Act was drawn up by the same dreary panel to protect the Hobby Breeder, but in fact it is a well constructed piece of legislation to ensure there is a constant supply of abandoned dogs. There are Many large and powerful bodies whose salaries depend on the income generated from public donations and to reduce the stray dog and cat populations so radically would result in redundancies at administrative levels within these organisations.

Thanks Mayhem :) I'm going straight there to have my eyes opened further - there's nothing like info from the horses mouth (sorry about the pun) My bro takes in injured birds of prey and has had dealings with them - to say he's not impressed is an understatement.

I believe I am right in saying thatat the last count the RSPCA had £175,000,000 in the bank, inclusive of reserves and in trust.
How much interest does that little lot make? How much of that money is actually spent on animal welfare? I'm of the opinion that the RSPCA spend too little money directly on the animals in preventive measures such as neutering/spaying and far too much on personel and administration. They also destroy far, far too many healthy animals - they say too sick to rehome, I would like to know where the proof of that is. I think the Charities Commission should take a very serious look at the way the RSPCA uses its funds. They have become too powerful and have distracted from their grass roots which is the prevention of cruelty to animals with an emphasis on PREVENTION.

Do not be too broken hearted about their financial plight, they are down to their last £90m, Cardiff centre has closed, Newport is due to shortly, so I've heard, Head office has had a change of mind and at the third count decided to close Brecon. Just received an update on the redundancies they are now making, but have been assured by Jackie Ballard that animal welfare will be protected. Dream on. Over 357,000 animals were pts in the space of four years. Brecon is an administration office employing 25 people, but when shown on TV there seemed to be kennels atached to the building.On enquiry these photos were of Llys Nini juxtaposed against the admin building to create a sob story .

in a word...bad! Especially if you happen to be in front of one of their vans & it knocks you down, parks on your toe & refuses to move!!! (see H&H this week)

What I would really like to see is the RSPCA invited onto this forum to, not exactly defend themselves, but to explain various things.

I don't know of anyone who has a good word to say for them (except possibly Rolf Harris) and learnt very early on in life (as a child who was always collecting injured and animals) that they were a total waste of space.

Is it really only 3p in the £ that goes to the animals? If this can be proven perhaps it should be more widely advertised!

Christine

A number of years ago I had an scruffy mongrel which I got at the age of 8 from Wood Green. WHen he was about 11 his breath started to smell really foul. The vet which I had being going to for years (with cat and previous dog) said nothing wrong with his teeth, most dogs have smelly breath......6 or 7 mths on, Rumble obviously found it hard to eat on one side of his mouth. I assumed it was a rotten tooth and would need to come out under anaesthetic. Unfortunately during this period my husband had left and I was just surviving financially by working part time (had 2 small kids). So I rang the vet and said up front that the dog was in obvious pain but in view of the fact I had been with him for years and had always paid immediately could I pay half now and half at the end of the month when I was paid. No was the answer. Rang RSPCA explained problem and was told they couldnt help. I pleaded said dog needed treating now and couldnt wait till end of month. I said he was in pain and they would be happy enough to prosecute me for not taking him to the vet but they wouldnt help when I and the dog desperately needed it. I rang the PDSA and broke down in tears on the phone, they were over 40 miles away but they agreed to see the dog and treat it. He turned out to have advanced cancer. They operated and he lived another 6 mths but we had the chance to make sure it was a great 6 mths. I will never support the RSPCA after their lack of compassion, also changed vets. Happily my financial circumstances have changed once again and its only the PDSA that ever gets any of my money!

Our local RSPCA was touting for money a few weeks back, chunnering on about running costs and the like, and one of their 'set pieces' (i.e. the one that they seemed to use on everyone they talked to), was that even though he weather thas been warm recently, they have got so many puppies in their nursery section, that they have not had enough blankets to go around.

A few days before that, we had been and bought a whole load of new towels for the house because they had been on offer at one of the local shops, and hubbs happened to mention to the RSPCA women that we would be binning all our old stuff if they could use it, to which she replied 'oh, that sort of thing would be ideal'.

So, not only did we gather up all our old towels, we dug out some old blankets, and encouraged a couple of family members to do the same. We also had a backlog of the food that we used to give Charlie before we switched to naturediet, and although it wasn't suitable for Charlie, we thought that they could probably make good use of it, and threw that in as well.

Our elderly nieghbour, who lost her two old sweeties within a few weeks of each other earlier this year, and had been unable to bring herself to get rid of their old things even bundled up old toys, two large baskets, and a load of blankets and food.

Absolutely *everything* that we collected was in perfect condition, we were*not* trying to palm them off with old rubbish.

So, we got everything together, pops it in the car, and trundles off to the RSPCA. Only to be told that the everything we had brought was 'of no use to them'! When we said that we had been told that they would be able to make good use of the items, we were told that we would be better off making a monetary donation, so that they could buy new things?!?

In the end, we took all the things to a little rescue centre about half na hour away, and they couldn't have been more grateful if they tried!

I used to think marvellous things about the RSPCA, obviously now we know better!

I couldnt agree more. Aside from a lot of advertising ( and think how much of it gets chucked straight in the bin) they dont do very much. I am a vet nurse, and I used to work in slough. On my route to work, I would pass this shabby little garage, all falling to bits, and there was a rotten, small, woodon kennel outside, by the gate. It had rusty nails sticking out and was incredibly unsafe. Inside this kennel ( which couldnt have been bigger than a rabbit hutch) lived 2 german shephards in possibly the worst condition I have ever seen. They were moth-eaten and their ribs were poking out of their skin. Their eyes and teeth were just awful. They also had cuts and scars on them, one of them had blood on his face. I rang the rspca immediately to report them. I said "please come today" to this woman on the end of the phone who sounded like she couldnt give a s***.The inspector went round and apparently everything was acceptible!! WHAT!!!!! I cuoldnt believe it! Sonce then, I have also reported a pet shop for selling sick birds, and again i was told that they were fine!
In my view the RSPCA do care more about money than anything else!

Not sure whether this would be of interest but you can contact the Charities Commission and put in a complaint in on your concerns about the way the RSPCA are using the funds and also how they are not helping in what we perceive as an emergency.

http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/investigations/ccinv.asp

Hope that helps.

Lucy

The charities Commission protects the interests of the RSPCA. If any small struggling charity registered sanctuary makes a complaint the CC has the power to close the place , freeze the account and transfer the funds to the RSPCA or any other charity they so select. They are above the law. Have you read the report on the fiasco surrounding Llys Nini in Swansea? We held charity status until last year when we dissolved it and became Co.Ltd. by Guarantee as the CC would not allow us to campaign or print any criticism against the national animal charities. We are constantly told to sit down, shut up and stop poking our noses in which ,of course, we do'nt. On one memorable occasion NCDL said this to us when we queried why they were selling two Shih Tzus paralysed from being overbred at a puppy farm as it is illegal to sell a sick animal. We wanted to know why the breeder was not proecuted.

Sorry thought they would be able to help.

Lucy

I have reported 3 puppy farms with dogs in awful conditions. Each time the place was visited and I was told that "there was nothing wrong". Now either they didn't actually go or the inspector should be sacked. I went to the see places on the pretext of using their stud dogs and was appalled by what I saw. Filthy dogs and pens, long coats were matted and stinking with obvious infestations. Puppies were terrified of people, diirty with filthy bottoms and without water scratching and sore. What was most depressing was that even in a place with many dogs - none of them barked once, I dont think they had the energy poor things. As long as there is some food in a bin and half a bale of damp shavings somewhere on the premisies they will take no action - and that goes for horses/ponies as well. they can be starving in a field but if there is hay in a barn (whether its being fed or not) they will do nothing. I also read somewhere that they were left nearly £1 million by an elderly lady on condition her dogs were found good homes - part of the money was to cover their lifetime expenses - they were put down immediately and the funds were pocketed - allegedly. Does anyone know how much they have in their coffers ? I think I remember a sum of £78 million? So why was one of their centres threatened with closure recently and a huge plea to the public for funds then "saved" the kennel/establishment. If anyone from the RSPCA ever rattles a tin at me I'm afraid they'll get more than they bargained for!!

Thank you for all your replies,i am glad i'm not the only one that feels so badly about the RSPCA.I thought maybe it was just me having the exotic animals issue(among other things).Everyone i have spoken to about them seems to agree with the replies that have been left here.My dog is due in for surgery next week(she has a luxating patella),the cost of which is going to be around £400,my vet told me to contact the PDSA and RSPCA and request some financial assistance,the PDSA said they would willingly help out and could pay as much as £100 towards the cost,the RSPCA said phone back between 2.30 and 6.30 and we might be able to help with £10-£15.
The money is not an issue,i will pay whatever necessary as she is my pride and joy(insurance will not cover as it was a pre-existing condition from before she was insured)But i was just curious to find out how much help the RSPCA would be...and i got my answer!!

Thanx again for all your honesty :)

Got absolutely no time for the RSPCA at all. They are a very expensive waste of space.

I have this morning visited a prospective school for The Small One this morning, who list the RSPCA on their list of charities they support. They will find us not donating to that one.

Julia & hooligans

"What was most depressing was that even in a place with many dogs - none of them barked once...."

Could be other reasons other than lack of energy. Would you bark if you thought that a beating was coming your way for making a noise?

Pete

Received an e-mail from Welsh Office today. The RSPCA have at last chosen to make a comment on the Assembly grant aid to farmers - not before time. No doubt they will fund raise on their intervention albeit too late a stage.

Hullo here2help.

I lived in Slough in my previous existence!!

Lovely place isn't it????:)

Julia & Hooligans

hiya julia

hmmm, it certainly wasnt a beauty spot :) Do you know the big supermarket on the corner......?
I think it was co-op. A lot of busses go past it, the 81 stops outside it. It is on the same road as the bus station but the other end of it, doing toward the motorway. Well, the garage was on the road going up toward langly past co-op. You might know it. I hope it has been shut down now...it certainly wouldnt be due to the help of the RSPCA tho.
take care
x

Is there ANYONE out there who knows of a story about the RSPCA acting in a timely and Responsible manner??? This just sickens me

Wendy

Funnily enough, ive just been on the phone to my mum, who is local pest control officer. (or whatever its called these days, most ppl call her Rat Lady!)

She has just spent 3 hours of today chasing about after the RSPCA.

She is supposed to go to a house that has been classified as 'filthy and verminous' by the EHO's, and she now needs to gain access to the property to clean it out. But she cant get into the property, as there are two large GSD's in there.
Loooking through the windows, she can see that the house is disgusting, sh*t everywhere, the dogs look thin and weak, and are no longer barking.
They have been there for a week now, but, no one can gain access because the owner hasnt technically been evicted yet. A neighbour is supposed to be feeding them, what has been happening though, is that she is afraid of these dogs (previous to the owners leaving they were well known for being fairly aggro), so she is just chucking food through the letter box, and now, she is away on holiday, apparently!

The police say they cant gain entry with out the owners permission, the owner seems to have vanished, the RSPCA say that the dogs are fed and sheltered, so they wont do anything.

My mums insurance will be invalid if she breaks in and gets the dogs out, in case anything happens.

(Dont panic, i highly suspect that two large lads will be kicking the doors in later tonight, armed with tins of dog food!)

Just beggars belief that the RSPCA wont do anything, however, i suspect its because they reckon there is very little if any chance of successfully prosecuting the owners, so if they did, and dfailed, well, that would mess up their statistics!

Em (now been searching for info since 11 am, this is proving VERY interesting!)

I used to work indirectly for the RSPCA and you'll find that a lot of people there do care very much about animals and some of them unfortunatley don't. They are one of the richest charities but spend lots of money on senior wages, and then sit on the rest. They need to spend more on educating people rather than on TV advertising begging for more cash.

I have to say that I found a stray at Christmas and called them saying that the animal was a possible RTA and distressed and they came out within an hour, I have heard however of plenty of cases where they won't come out and a vet friend of mine often gets very cross with them.

I think sadly we do need the RSPCA (wouldnt it be great if we didn't) but they should be a lot better than they are.

Well they helped to bring in the law for Pit Bulls. I think they are a political organisation that pays vast amounts of money to an elite group of thier staff in wages and not a lot to the people who do the work or the animals they are suposed to be helping.

I wouldnt give them a penny. I dont like Rolf Harris either.

It wont matter what is right or wrong in the debate on exotic animals. If it gets them brownie points in the eye of the public (who dont know them better) then ban them they will.

Regards Mick.

Ive been as polite about it as I can, as I cant own my chosen breed because of a stupid law. If I say any more I will only become abusive.

I reported two ponies in a very neglected state and I must say that the Inspector did come out very quickly. But it wasn't for many months afterwards that the people who owned them were found guilty.

Well I have been on the site Mayhem suggested and have had my eyes well and truly opened. I am now a much sadder and wiser person. :( :(

we tried to phone the harmsworth on boxing night a few yrs ago, my friends yorkie had been run over and the driver never stopped, we got rox back home and i rang the R.S.P.C.A and the ansewer phone was just like this

if you want to adopt a dog ringxxxxxxx

if you want to adopt a cat ringxxxxxxx

if you have found a stray phone xxxxxxx
and so on, by the time we got through to emergencys rox had died, now i know there was nothing they could do, but dont you think that priority should be emergencys

Actually they did come out for me once. We were having double glazing installed and the glaziers found some bats. All work had to stop (Winter of course!) till the RSPCA came out, the next day. Apparently they are protected. He said we were to leave a small exit/entry hole for them and that work could continue. The bats location would be placed on file and they would monitor them occasionally. That was 4 yrs ago and they haven't been monitored yet!

sammie. tragic & terrible that your situation was (yorkie in RTA) I am not sure that this is what the rspca is for is it? I would have thought in the case of an accident like that, you would rush to either your own, or the nearest vet? I know it wouldnt have even crossed my mind to ring the rspca...just to get to nearest vet.
Sorry to hear about it though, its an awful thing to happen. :(

Not everyone can afford a vet :(

hi sam
we phoned the harmsworth as it is was the nearest to were sally lived.the harmsworth is one of the only emergency vets in sallys area that was open on boxing night,

me too dill saddened and angered beyond belief.
Am already feeling a bit emotional today i'm afraid this post has moved me to tears, all those dogs and other animals ignored in their hour of need. When i look at how trusting tilly is, how much she relies on us for everything, then think of those animals which will never know what it is to trust a human and have a lovely loyal relationship with humans, it's a horrible feeling.
Dear me what a sad post, but well done everyone who has spoken out about the rspca. Luckily i havent had any dealings with them but i know if i needed help i'd be on to the pdsa or the shelter i got tilly from.
:(
Lynz and the very lucky, pampered Girls. Thank god they'll never know that sort of suffering.
x

The inspector who covered my local area (he was based in Milton Keynes) was brilliant, nothing was too small for him to deal with. I called him out twice, once for a baby bird with a broken wing, and once for a hedgehog I found out on a walk which had been 'peeled'- by a badger he thought. I think his name was Terry and it sounds as if he was the exception rather than the rule.

A thought just occurred to me... didn't the RSPCA have something to do with the stuff about Proctor and Gamble/ Iams vivisection policies being made public, and condemning them for carrying out experiments in the name of 'research'?
Strange then that most RSPCA branches feed Iams/Eukanuba then isn't it?
Liz

I think you will find it was Uncaged who exposed the Iams shame. I believe it was around 1985 that all h*** broke loose when it was found that RSPCA had massive investments in pharaceutical companies.

Sorry, you may be confused I left the "m" out of pharmaceutical

Well, so far, all the things that have come to light seem to suggest that whilst the rehoming centres carrying the RSPCA name do their best, it is DESPITE the efforts of the RSPCA rather than because of them.

The same i suspect would go for the lower ranks of inspectors, who get very little training, most of which concentrates on how to euthanise pets!

Just out of idle curiosity, errrrr, is there anything the RSPCA can do to us, discussing their 'alleged' downfalls etc on a public message board, is some of this not open to the accusations of libel????

Em (panicking mildy, ah well, can sue me if they like, ill pay em a pound a month for the next million years! hahahaha)

Mayhem
No confusion, bought the word very close to farcical, which is what they are (in my view)!!

Julia & hooligans

i'm afraid i agree with most people here that the RSPCA are indeed a very expensive waste of space. i have never had even one good experience with them - we once found a stray mastiff cross in a very bad state, he'd obviously been abused, he was fear aggressive and the only person he trusted was me. He was not a lost cause, and with time and patience would have made somebody a lovely pet - if my little boy had been older i would've kept him myself, but he was only seven months and i couldn't cope with both.
i called the rspca a couple of weeks after we found him [he had been reported found to the police, but no one had reported him missing and no one ever came forward], and was told that if i couldn't cope they would make sure they had space at the kennels and take him in for me. i was really pleased about this, as i had been working with his aggression problem and he was getting better slowly but surely with as much socialisation as i could manage, and plenty of positive experiences with people, and it was fantastic to know that if i couldn't cope they'd be able to help him. i had seen Pet Rescue on tv loads, and thought "wow, they'll get a behaviourist for him, they'll help him get over his fears"..... Little did i know!!!!!
i did get to the point where i couldn't deal with him, as my little boy got ill and i just couldn't look after both of them. i called the rspca back, and was told that they couldn't take him. i explained the situation, and the woman on the phone had a sudden change of heart when i told her about his problems. i was told i would have to bring him in myself, and when we did everyone at reception just stared at him. He got uncomfortable, and gave one of his little grumbles. While i was filling in the forms to pass ownership to them, i heard them talking amongst themselves and i didn't like what i was hearing so i asked them what would happen next. They said they would put him to sleep for me, considering his response to new people was "growling".
Need i say more?
i tore up the forms, and took him home. They will never get one penny out of me ever again.

Annette

Good on you,do you still have the dog?If so,did things work out well?