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- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 05.05.03 16:28 UTC
Two of my dogs are in the vets today, both on drips, they have been vomiting up blood. The eldest bitch started vomiting late Sat/early Sun, @ a dozen times. Very quiet the next day, would not eat, move from her basket etc... vet suggested we just keep an eye on her. The other two where fine, second one vomited 1 large dinner plate sized pool of blood late Sunday evening, and one smaller amount later. Both have had slight diarreah (spelling?) Third so far no signs of illness. After a blood test today on the eldest bitch, the vet has suggested poisoning? Did they have any access to Rat Poison? No... but all I could think of was she had one or two mouthfuls of horse muck earlier in the week, Tuesday, Wednesday, only other thing is all three had their boosters on Friday? The second bitch ate some of the vomit the eldest bitch had first thrown up, thats the only link I can think of. Has anyone had anything similar happen, could the horse muck, if the horse had been recently wormed cause problems? Just desperate for ideas, the eldest is very poorly the other is a lot more resiliant.

Ged.
- By lel [gb] Date 05.05.03 18:02 UTC
Ged
hope they are both okay
Lel
- By mandatas [gb] Date 05.05.03 18:08 UTC
Hi,

Hope both make a full recovery!! :(

Was the horse poo well formed or sloppy? Sometimes horse poo will contain wormer or other medication, but a tiny amount shouldn't have caused such a severe reaction (I shouldn't think).

Dogs do eat some strange things, maybe she got hold of something when out for a walk.

Good luck

manda
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:)
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 05.05.03 18:36 UTC
Ged - do hope they are all okay - keep us posted.

Regards

Margot
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 05.05.03 19:46 UTC
I have just this minute come back from the vets after dropping off number 3. Same symptoms, windy, restless, vomiting and then vomiting up alarming quantities of blood.
The vet earlier today thought it was poisoning after looking at the blood test results, the vet tonight is now not so sure, which strangely makes me feel a lot better:confused:
I will be updated tomorrow at 10.30.

After taking Queenie tonight I was suprised to find that nobody was actually at the Vet centre, the vet turned up shortly after I arrived. If they are in for and you are paying for observation
(Queenies vets charge for a bank holiday. £48...bill so far £277) who is doing the observing, or am I being lame?

Ged
- By lel [gb] Date 05.05.03 19:51 UTC
Ged
where were you walking them ? Could it have been the weedkiller stuff the council spray around ? Just a thought ...
Gus sometimes likes to nibble horsepoo too so this is quite worrying if it is anything to do with that
Fingers crossed for the three of them :)
Lesley
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 05.05.03 20:20 UTC
Nope... we have re walked the route over and over again, from house to canal bank only two minutes, through woods, across paths, through fields... no where near any farm buildings for possible rat traps/baits, crop sprayings, no housing estates/scavaging... just the same old routine for the past five years, walk takes us about one and a half hours... just one of those little mysteries?
- By lel [gb] Date 05.05.03 20:26 UTC
Didnt you mention they had kennel cough not so long ago - maybe their immune systems are a bit low from that ?
- By Christine Date 05.05.03 20:43 UTC
Hi Ged, sorry to hear about your dogs. If they had their boosters only couple of days before going ill then I would would seriously suspect that as the cause, till tests show something else as the cause. Hope they get better soon. And yes I would ask the vet who is keeping an eye on them when he`s not there.
Christine, Spain.
- By margaret [gb] Date 05.05.03 20:49 UTC
Just a thought, but you did mention that they had just got their boosters. Is it possible they took a very bad reaction to the vaccine ? Was it live or dead vaccine your vet used ? I know of some dogs who have previously been given dead vaccine and then to have a very bad reaction to when they were given live vaccine. Or is there a chnce they they have all caught a very bad bug that is going around. I do hope they all make a quick recovery.

Margaret
- By alfie [gb] Date 05.05.03 21:49 UTC
Ged,
So sorry to hear all 3 are now in the vets- you must be beside yourself with worry.
I'm keeping everything crossed for you and your dogs.
Liz x
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 06.05.03 07:23 UTC
Regarding the boosters... my dogs do not have the yearly booster, I personally think it is a money spinner, but after them picking up Kennel cough so easily it spooked me into chasing up their vaccinations. Bex the eldest, was beyond 5 years since her last booster, so she need to do a complete course of two vaccinations, the first of which was on Friday, Tilly and Queenie where both within the 5 years since rule, and after discussing it with the vet, agreed they only needed the booster (backs up the money spinning theory:( ). Twice now I have asked about allergic reactions, and both times, two different vets at the practice (Rose Cottage, Sutton Weaver for anyone local) had shook their heads, nah not possible. Bex has had the most debilitating reaction so far, is the vaccination a bigger shock to their system than the booster?, just cannot work it out. Also they slightly delayed reactions, 24 hrs between them would suggest a viral infection?

Ged.
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 06.05.03 07:45 UTC
Margaret, we asked the vet if there had been any other instances of poisoning or infections locally, nothing. If its a bad bug, we are the start of it :o
- By LJS Date 06.05.03 09:07 UTC
Ged if they are in there I would expect somebody to be observing them, especially as they are all quite poorly. I would ask why this has not been done. I know at my vets there is always somebiody on the premises. I know as Mars when she stayed over night had the nurse in her kennel most of the night to keep her calm and quiet !

Hope all you crew are better this morning, keep us updated.

Lucy
- By staffie [gb] Date 06.05.03 15:27 UTC
Hello
So sorry to hear your dogs are unwell :-(
Is there any update this afternoon?
There is no way they could have got hold of any domestic cleaning fluids / fly killers/ ant killers/ weed spray is there?? I know how mischeivious staffs can be
:-(.
What do you feed them on? Is there anyway the feed could have been contaminated or possibly a bad batch?? Has the vet tested for any e-coli bacteria as this can cause horrible problems?
Just wracking my brains for possible causes as so strange all 3 have gone down with it.
Do you know whether anyone in your close area has had a rat problem and put down poison. Often a rat will carry the poison else where and if not eaten by the rat could they have picked some up??
Hope everything goes OK
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 06.05.03 16:14 UTC
Vets update is vomiting has stopped (drugs) in all three, Bex the first one to come down with whatever it is, still very subdued, has had no diarreoh , temp is still high but in what they refer to as the safe area?
Tilly, the middle bitch, taller and stronger (Bred down a different line - Constones/Kablice- and is bleedin' bombproof, she screamed the kennels down last night when I turned up with Queenie, recognised the car/key jangle) is along with the youngest Queenie (same as her mum Nozac/Rellim) still having problems with a lot of diarreoh, all three are still on rehydration and are being kept in for further treatment/observations. :(
Nothing around the house or garden they have come into contact with. Whatever caused it we are guessing they came into contact with on the Saturday, I was working (12 hours) so they had a lazy day indoors.
Food wise they are all fed on Naturediet, which is prepacked food, each having a different variety. Just a matter of waiting ... boy the house is quiet... and tidy ;)

Ged.
- By lel [gb] Date 06.05.03 19:00 UTC
Hi Ged
any sign of them coming home yet ?
Dont you feel lost when its time for a walk and theyre not there :(
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 06.05.03 19:46 UTC
Lost... I have this week off, the weather is holding and no mutts to walk, you just forget how much of your life they take up, I've forgotten what to do with my spare time!
- By LJS Date 07.05.03 12:07 UTC
It sounds although they may be on the road to recovery, lets hope they will be back with you soon.:)

Lucy
- By Lindsay Date 07.05.03 15:32 UTC
I do hope they are OK, what seems so strange is the fact that all 3 have gone down with this.....even with a vaccine reaction, would all 3 react? Unless it was a bad batch or something? As you say, it is a real mystery.

Lindsay
- By Amy M [gb] Date 07.05.03 17:28 UTC
Hi,
I hope all your dogs are feeling better. My Labrador went down with a very similar thing last year. He went from being fit and well one day to vomiting and passing huge amounts of blood overnight. I rang the vets at 6am and took him straight in. I had two other Labs at home but neither of them showed any symptoms and never did become ill. It baffles me to this day as they were all walked together, all fed the same and slept together.
He went into the vets where he seemed to be holding his own for the first day, then we got a call at midnight saying he was going downhill fast and they had to open him up to see if they could find a cause. They found that his intestines were stripping themselves down from the inside, they seemed to be melting away which was causing the blood loss and vomiting. Nothing much could be done as the vets didn't have a clue what had caused it, it was just a case of patching him up, keeping him on the drip and keeping our fingers crossed. He spent 11 days at the vets in isolation, and came home weak but he did recover. We fed him chicken and rice for a few weeks and he was soon back to his old self. It scared the life out of me. All my dogs are vaccinated and none of them had a booster around the time he was ill. To this day I still wonder how he caught it and the others didn't.
My vet bill was around £850.00 in the end.
Please let us know how your dogs are doing and if the vet has any clues as to what it might be.
Best Wishes
Amy
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 07.05.03 18:05 UTC
Vets rang today....Bex is brighter, but still subdued and slightly pale, the other two are much brighter and her words "very noisy" :d Those two are a double act, always competing .Overnight none of them have passed blood either end, trying them on food today, have not passed anything today for them to see its all solid/OK. Closest thing to a prediction on when they could come home is some time this week.
Bill so far is just shy of £500 and nobody has any idea of what has caused it :confused: But everything looking promising, just the oldie causing a little bit of concern still, but she has always milked every situation, no doubt she is loving the attention :rolleyes:

Ged
- By mandatas [gb] Date 07.05.03 19:08 UTC
Hi Happystaff,

I am so pleased they are getting better, what a wierd thing, I wonder what it was???? :confused:

My friends little Cocker is in the vets at the moment, seriously ill, after being bitten by a snake or snakes.. :( They are not sure why she is so bad, they think maybe she was bitten by more then one....bit strange though.

manda
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- By Christine Date 08.05.03 08:24 UTC
Hi H/Staffy, glad to hear the dogs are on the mend :) Did your vet take blood/fecal/vomit samples for analysis? You would be able to determine/rule out what ever caused it.
Christine, Spain.
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 08.05.03 16:02 UTC
Thanks for your support everyone... Just getting used to the quiet, able to open fridge door with out a stampede, relax infront of the gogglebox without getting up every minute to let them in or out, strange smells... :rolleyes: There back!... Bex still not 100%, the other two they where glad to see the back of them, full of beans :) Straight out into the back and crapped everywhere :o
Came home with fifteen tins of Waltham Sensitivity Control food, 5 days supply of Anti B's Synulox 250mg and one bottle of Collovet and a receipt for £608, but no break down of costs?
As to what floored the three of them... not got a clue... :( All we can do is keep using the Parvo virucide to clean everywhere, and check nobody has thrown "stuff" over the fence before we let them out each morning.

Ged.
- By LJS Date 08.05.03 16:18 UTC
Glad you have got them all back ! :D

Lucy
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 08.05.03 16:47 UTC
Glad they're better, Ged! :) :)
- By chaliepud [gb] Date 08.05.03 21:31 UTC
Glad to hear the good news! You didn't really like the peace and quiet anyway did you! :)
- By sami Date 07.05.03 17:58 UTC
Lindsay
While we are all worrying for HappyStaffy and her dogs, I did read that she fed them NatureDiet. As a confirmed worry-guts, I have been worrying in case it was something in the food....because all 3 of mine eat nothing but that brand!And I have been delighted with how they seem to be doing on it!
Just read another post of yours...and see that you too feed NatureDiet.

I hope HappyStaffy soon has her dogs returned safe and well......but I hope her vets can find out what's caused it.

Sami
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 07.05.03 18:09 UTC
ahhhummhhh :o I have just checked and I am definately a "he" :D :D I would not worry about Naturediet...the problem is more than likely they have been unlucky enough to pick up a particulary nasty bug...just bad luck. I am definately still going to continue with the Naturediet.
- By sami Date 07.05.03 18:14 UTC
Oooops!!! Sorry HappyStaffy!!
You have enough to worry about, without me changing your sex!!! :D

So glad the dogs seem to be getting better........and really glad you don't think it was something in their food.....'cos NatureDiet looks so nice my husband says the dogs get fed better than he does!!

I hope your vet can find out what made them so ill tho'

Sami
- By lel [gb] Date 07.05.03 20:50 UTC
Ged
will have to do a double take when I next see you in work :D
Lel
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 07.05.03 22:07 UTC
Count yourself lucky...I left a month ago...;) Its the redundancy money thats paying the vet :)

Ged
- By lel [gb] Date 07.05.03 22:13 UTC
Wow have you really left - where are you now ??? Good luck etc etc. I cant wait to get out :(
Are you not insured for your dogs Ged ???
Really hope they are all ok- I would be devastated if anything happend to Gus -,especially coughing up blood. Has the vet no idea yet besides virus ?
L
- By HappyStaffy [gb] Date 07.05.03 22:23 UTC
I left GSK on Friday 21 March and started with CP Kelco in Knowsley on the Monday same pay, conditions etc...:)

Cancelled the £44 per month last year... they had not been to the vets for approx 2 years... swings and rounabouts... what with recent costs for Kennel cough/vaccinations and now this, paying the first £50 of each claim blah, blah we are running about even? But I have been rattled and I am looking around for Insurance at the moment!

Ged
- By lel [gb] Date 07.05.03 22:36 UTC
Ged
are you working with Mark N and Paul B thEn ?
Whats CP Kelco like as compared to GSK?
Thats the thing with insurance - if you dont need treatment then its dead money but if you do need treatment its a godsend .
Didnt know any one from the W'house had gone there - whats it like having to work for a living :)
Lel
- By lel [gb] Date 07.05.03 22:36 UTC
Ged
are you working with Mark N and Paul B thEn ?
Whats CP Kelco like as compared to GSK?
Thats the thing with insurance - if you dont need treatment then its dead money but if you do need treatment its a godsend .
Didnt know any one from the W'house had gone there - whats it like having to work for a living :)
Lel
- By lel [gb] Date 07.05.03 22:36 UTC
Ged
are you working with Mark N and Paul B thEn ?
Whats CP Kelco like as compared to GSK?
Thats the thing with insurance - if you dont need treatment then its dead money but if you do need treatment its a godsend .
Didnt know any one from the W'house had gone there - whats it like having to work for a living :)
Lel
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