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Date 07.12.02 00:03 UTC
I have heard recently about a new Crossbreed of poodle and retriever cross, from Australia, I believe. Are they available in the US? What are the recommendations for creating such a cross? Thank you. Marilyn
By Jackie H
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Date 07.12.02 09:09 UTC
Don't. Take a look at the rescue homes, who will have no end of cross breeds.
By kittysilly
Date 07.12.02 14:29 UTC
hi guest,
if you use the search option here on the board you will find plenty about labradoodles.... though I doubt very much that anyone here would reccomend you getting one.... as jackie said there are plenty of crossbread dogs available at the dogs home and for the price you would pay for a labradoodle you would be far better researching the right dog for you and your family and getting yourselves a KC registered pedigree puppy of pure parentage...
sorry I couldn't be more positive
:)
kitty
By John
Date 07.12.02 19:44 UTC
If you want a crossbreed, as everyone has already said, the rescue kennels are full of them without anyone deliberatly breeding them.
John
By climber
Date 07.12.02 20:10 UTC
John glad to see you have not left us!!!!!
Also agree with previus posters
There is no need to delibaratly produce +-breeds
karl
By lornap
Date 11.12.02 15:34 UTC
There seem to be some misconceptions about labradoodles and why they are bred.
Labradoodles/ golden doodles are bred for several reasons as are any other breed.The curly coated offspring from this cross are likely to be non-shedding and are excellent for people who are normally allergic to dogs.I think they must have a lower turnover of dander which is where the protein that people are allergic to resides.
I can testify to this.My husband is allergic to dogs and gets asthma from them and was poorly as a child with the family pets.He has never had a reaction to our curly coated labradoodle.
Labradoodles offer the best of both breeds.The loyalty,good nature and retrieving instinct from the labrador, and the intelligence and fun-loving nature of the poodle. Labradoodles are a fantastic fun but very sporty breed recognised in Europe as a new breed and in Australia where they originated to make non-allergenic guide and hearing dogs.My dog was a fourth generation labradoodle and was very representative of the breed.Extremely fun loving, intelligent, easy to train, handsome, sporty, totally non-viscious, really inquisitive and totally people and dog friendly, excellent with children and a huge character.
Indiscriminate breeding of pure breeds has led to all the horrific genetic defects like hip dysplasia.These can be bred out with cross-breeding making a stronger healthier dog.All breeds are a mixture of crosses historically.
I totally agree that if you are able you should first of all check out rescue homes for a new dog to see if there is something suitable. What I find very annoying is that some people don't rate cross-breeds or mixed-breeds as highly as pure breeds.There is a difference between a cross breed and a heinz 57. But all have their merits. A lurcher and a Jack Russell terrier are cross-breeds the same as a doodle. If someone wants a pedigree dog then surely they should look into rescue dogs as well. Looking in a dog rescue centre first and foremost should be the first port of call for EVERYONE even those looking for a pure breed. If however there is nothing suitable there especailly if you are allergic to dogs(one of the main reasons poeple give up their dogs for rehoming) why not get a labradoodle or another non-shedding breed. Yes they are just as expensive as pedigree dogs but surely that shows someones seriousness of intent to look after a dog, and for allergic dog lovers they are worth any money.
Being snobbish about cross-breeds is a stupid argument.There is a place for them too.
And what is the problem with breeding a dog that will meet peoples requirments-they are much less likely to be abandoned.
By John
Date 11.12.02 17:41 UTC
For a first post you have dug up an old thread on a controversial subject. I wonder what your motives are? As a subject this has been done to death on here but if you really want to know my feelings have a look at my post on the "Pick Your Breed with care" thread by Mattie.
John
By deary
Date 11.12.02 18:13 UTC
I have two cross breeds , the only name they have is crossbreed not given them a flashy name like borparson terrier ( border x parson ) or yoodle ( yorkie x poodle ) as they are crossbreeds that no-one wanted and i found them and love them to bits.
Like you say in your post " there is a place for cross breeds " well yes to dog lovers but howcome most crossbreeds place is in a rehoming kennel!!!
My Terrier SORRY Borparson terrier is a fantastic agility dog and works for childrens charities but does this mean i should go out and breed thousands of these dogs untill i get one that looks like her . No way she is a one off and should stay that way , we don't need anymore breeds.
Sam
By Jackie H
Date 11.12.02 18:42 UTC
I realy do wonder why people think that crossing two dogs together will always produce the same result, when in fact it never produces the same result. It's not a matter of snobery it's a matter of genetics, and mating two different breeds together does not give you a new breed or a reliable result. Jackie
By lornap
Date 12.12.02 11:25 UTC
Hi John,
Yes it was my first post.I came across the CIE when I was searching for other dog related sites.I appreciate the subject of cross breeds has probably been 'done to death' before but as a new post I haven't seen them all.I was merely putting in a good word for labradoodles(a recognised breed for the last 30 odd years in Australia, I believe a breed in Europe and widespread in the US) having lost my beautiful labradoodle dog after an accident on Frid.I suppose my motivation came from a more emotional level.
Kittysilly is quite right that money does not buy responsibilty-I was just pointing out that to the average person who saves hard for a particular dog, shows a certain amount of committment to that animal.I wasn't suggesting that you need to pay for a dog for it to be a special dog, or that it makes it any better than a dog picked up from the pound.Its individual preference really. I wouldn't pay hundreds of pounds for a 'reject' as kittysilly nicely calls it, but I did pay hundreds of pounds for a 4th generation labradoodle because of the demand for these dogs and there being relatively few breeders and I knew it was a breed that was right for me, the same as owners of pure breeds pay for a dog that is ritght for them.
Brainless,I take your point about the other breeds which might satisfy the requirements, but again its down to the breed you fall in love with.
Jackie H- I am well aware that doing a deliberate first cross of 2 breeds doesn't produce reliable results and doesn't make a breed because I an a molecular biologist and its my job.But it only takes so many back-crosses to make a pure breed reliable to that line and to breed true.My dog was 4th generation labradoodle x labradoodle on his mothers side and 3rd generation on his fathers side.In his litter there were a mixture of straight and curly coats.
Saying we don't need any more breeds is one opinion but bear in mind that ever since man has lived with dogs we have bred them for particular functions, and some breeds die out and others are conceived.thats evolution folks!The Australian Guide dog association bred labradoodles for a specific purpose because there was a need for it.What better reason for a cross breeding is there when the relationship between dogs and humans is so intertwined?
You don't have to look too far back in history to see what original breeds make up the composite pure breeds we have today.At the end of the day, get whatever dog you are going to love and nurture, be a resposible owner and don't buy from people who do not put the health of their dogs and respective breeds where appropriate first.Check out breeders as a good one will be happy to accomodate your questions.
thats all!
Give your dogs a hug from me this xmas -Hamish is badly missed and take care on the roads-get HIGH VISIBILTY COLLARS for their xmas!!!! thats a much more important message than waffling on about breeds.
Thanks for reading, lornap.
By Leigh
Date 12.12.02 13:16 UTC
Welcome to the forum Lorna :-)
By John
Date 12.12.02 19:00 UTC
I have no idea what the Australian Guide Dogs people are doing but the British Guide Dogs For The Blind tried the cross some years ago and after evaluating it decided not to continue with the experiment.
There are several sites on the net supposedly trying to "Establish" the "breed" but it seems strange that all the puppies seem to cost between 1.5 and 2 times the price of either a Labrador or Poodle! The costs of breeding would be no more than any other dog so to me that casts suspicion on their motives! As for calling it a breed, that it is not. It is at best a cross breed and in order to establish it as a breed, if it takes as long as it did for the Border Collie or the PJR then it will not be in yours or my lifetime!
There is nothing at all wrong with cross breeds, I had one for 16 years and you could not have found a nicer dog but I did not pay exorbitant price for him. He cost me the princely sum of 10/- (50p to you young things!)
If you do a search for Labradoodles you will find out why I said the subject had been done to death.
John
By kittysilly
Date 11.12.02 20:54 UTC
paying a large amount of money for a dog soes not show that someone is *serious* about caring for a dog.... any dog, all it shows is that they can afford it.
money does not buy responsibility
and it is not snobbery that is against deliberate cross-breeding, accidents happen and there are some lovely crossbreeds I have a rescued boxer cross and two pedigree dogs and I think that I must have more sense than money because I wouldnt dream of paying hundreds of pounds for what is essentialy a 'reject' (much as I love my 'reject')
:-)
kitty
There are breeds that already satisfy those requirements. Why not a Curly coated Retriever, Irish Water Spaniel, Lagotta Romagnola, Spanish Water Dog, Standard Poodle and probably more established breeds.
By deary
Date 11.12.02 23:38 UTC
Here Here:)
By Jacinth
Date 12.12.02 12:50 UTC
May I suggest a breed such as an Old English Sheepdog. I have got Cystic Fibrosis and Asthma so have to be very carefull with allergies etc. I have grown up with OES's and their coats do not affect me at all. :)
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