Can someone tell me what happens in this situation....

You've bought a dog, bred by someone else, and put your affix on the end of it. So it's "BREEDER Fluffy Fido AT ME" for example. (Where breeder is breeder's affix and me is yours!)

Then, you decide to sell this dog and presumably need to transfer their KC papers too. So, do you take your affix off the end of the dog's name? And how do you do that? Do you need to do that before selling the dog? Is it something the new owner does or the KC does automatically when papers are transferred??

Thanks!

Ooh that is a very interesting question that I don’t know the answer to

I’d be interested to know this as well, I’ve seen a few dogs where the suffix doesn’t match with the current owner. I wondered if they just didn’t want to pay to change the registration, or if the KC only allows a certain number of changes?

If I were selling a dog, I don't think I'd want my affix on it when it was owned by someone else cos it defeats the point of having an affix that's associated with you, right?

So, do you take it off before? Knowing how money grabbing the KC are, I'm sure you have to pay some fee to take your affix off again LOL! Is that right?

A dog can only have its name changed once in it's lifetime, so if you want to remove an Kennel Name(it is no longer called affix/suffix), it cant have any more added. It doesn't have to removed, I sold a bitch that I had bought in, to a friend & did say I wouldn't be offended if they wanted to remove my Kennel Name but they kept it.

> KC does automatically when papers are transferred

No,

Oh right, that's interesting. So I can apply to remove the name and it becomes again BREEDER Fluffy Whatever - but if someone else buys the dog, they can't put their name on?

The only person who can remove a kennel name that has been added by a previous owner is the breeder if the dog has been returned to them. The previous owner has to agree. KC form 16 has to be completed & it costs £30

From the KC site

To remove a kennel name from the registered name of a dog, the dog needs to be registered in the ownership of the breeder. The owner of the kennel name and the breeder would need to complete this form in order for the kennel name to be removed. This service can be applied for in the case of a dog being returned to the original breeder.

And if that happens, can someone else then put their name on, if they bought the dog?

Ann are you sure that refers to the name used as a suffix, not an affix? I mean, I can understand why only the original breeder can take the affix off the dog - because it's theirs. But the suffix...?

No, if you look at the forms page it's on the terms & conditions link

It quite clearly states added the Kennel Name. Affix & Suffixes no longer exist

Terms and conditions
The dog must be registered in the name of the original breeder
The kennel name can only be removed if the application is completed by the breeder and co-signed by the person(s) who added the kennel name
The kennel name cannot be removed after 30 days have elapsed from the date of the first win which qualifies it for entry in the stud book
No further name changes are allowed once the application is complete

No you cannot remove your kennel name.

Right. So if it was done via the breeder you could remove it (although no one else could put one on again) - but if you sold the dog to someone and didn't involve the breeder, you couldn't take your name off.

Yes

> And if that happens, can someone else then put their name on, if they bought the dog?

No, as it can only have a name change once in it's lifetime.

Wow that's all very interesting. I wonder why it is that way. I've always thought of your affix being like your last name/family name for your dogs. But this way you could sell the dog and a few years later see the person you sold it to competing under your affix with the dog, when you only owned the dog a few months.

https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/shop/registrations/form-16-removal-of-a-kennel-name-from-a-dogs-name/The dog must be registered in the name of the original breeder
The kennel name can only be removed if the application is completed by the breeder and co-signed by the person(s) who added the kennel name

Also, a name is not changeable once the dog has gained entry to the stud book.
ie. You would not be allowed to add an affix to a dog's name once it has been allocated a Stud Book number.

Well I sold two puppies to a fellow breeder and although for some reason she only added her Kennel Name to the male, both were (sadly!!) later sold overseas and as far as I'm aware, their (his) names remained as they were when resold.

Best I can suggest is you speak with the KC about this.

I'd not mind having my 'connection' left on the registered name of the dog - but if the poor dog should change hands more than once, with each new owner with a registered affix, putting that on the name of the dog - could get silly!!

eg.  Breeder's affix (dog) of new owner's affix, with next new owner's affix!!!  And so on.  

> I'd not mind having my 'connection' left on the registered name of the dog - but if the poor dog should change hands more than once, with each new owner with a registered affix, putting that on the name of the dog - could get silly!!<br /><br />eg.  Breeder's affix (dog) of new owner's affix, with next new owner's affix!!!  And so on

As I have said before this is NOT possible in the UK, a dog can only have it's name changed once in it's lifetime!

Well this is all very interesting. In the past, I'm usually very quick to add my affix to a puppy and transfer into my name etc. But now I wonder if I shouldn't wait till the pup is 6 months and definitely a keeper before doing that, to avoid all this.

The rules re adding/removing Kennel names haven't changed for a long time, as you have already pointed out Lexy you cannot do it more than once in the UK.

It's just not a situation I've faced before.

Affix Addition:
And what is the driving force behind adding an Affix exactly? Doesn't make any difference to the Dog.  Also just picked up on all this Selling of the poor animal
which is so frowned upon here on the Forum as I believe the quote was 'rehoming stresses the animal and can cause terrible longterm anxiety'.

>And what is the driving force behind adding an Affix exactly? Doesn't make any difference to the Dog.

It's traceability of the breeder; if a breeder is proud of the puppies they produce it stands to reason that they would want to be permanently associated with it. A kennel name (what an affix/suffix is now known as) shows that the breeder isn't trying to avoid responsibility by hiding under a cloak of anonymity.

Jeangenie:  Affix/suffix:  Makes sense.  My Kennel name is registered with every Litter for association, traceability & transparency reasons.  Was just thrown by the 'old' term used.

Affix, Prefix and Suffix - Strictly speaking are letters added to the beginning or end of words, not  seperate words as we use them in Kennel/Dog naming.

In the old days a Kennel name was used as an Affix at the end of a dogs name, as a Suffix

In my breed a famous kennels dogs were ???? of The Holm.

A famous twice (1948 and 1950) Crufts BIS Cocker Spaniel was Tracey Witch of Ware.


Then the Kennel Club decided that it should be the first word of a dogs name, used as a Prefix

So the two Kennels future dogs became Ware ???? and Holm ???? not quite such a ring to them.

Everyone still continued calling their Kennel name their Affix (including the Kennel Club).

So you applied for and maintained your Affix.

My certificate granted in 1994 says Affix

It is only in the last couple of years that they decided to stop referring to it in that term, and now on paper refer to Kennel Name, which is used as a Prefix by the breeder, and an Suffix by the new owner if they wish/can.

I believe it’s fairly common for breeders to rehome dogs, especially older puppies that maybe don’t take to showing life, or dogs at the end of their breeding/showing life.

While I think it’s great when people can keep their oldies, I can also appreciate that many prefer the dogs they aren’t actively showing or breeding to go so where they’ll get more individual attention.

My dog’s litter brother went to a pet/agility home at 12 months. Their breeder kept him for showing but his ears are kind of half up and half down, never settled one way or the other. He’s having a fantastic time in his new home, and the breeder has more space and time to devote to her other dogs.

On the other hand, I know breeders who have kennels full of oldies who are also living great lives. Whatever is best for the individual dog.

> And what is the driving force behind adding an Affix exactly?

Some who have kennel names when they buy in a dog have their own kennel name put on the end of the kc name. It shows then to anyone who looks at results or pedigree that that dog while bred by whoever was owned competed by and bred from by you.
So for example say you bred a dog called Hoggie I'm a lab. I buy it and any my name on it too so it becomes Hoggie I'm a lab at Jo.

I added my Affix/Kennel name to my foundation bitches name, as all my breeding started there.

Sadly I lost my only breeding age bitch in March (a blow after 8 generations).

When I buy in a puppy, hopefully one carrying my lines, I will add my affix to her name.

Unfortunately it may take some time, as the maiden bitch (that I bred) has just missed again, and she will reach 5 just before her next season.

Her owners are willing to try once more.

I added my Affix/Kennel name to my foundation bitches name, as all my breeding started there.

Sadly I lost my only breeding age bitch in March (a blow after 8 generations).

When I buy in a puppy, hopefully one carrying my lines, I will add my affix to her name.

Unfortunately it may take some time, as the maiden bitch (that I bred) has just missed again, and she will reach 5 just before her next season.

Her owners are willing to try once more.

That is a very useful explanation of things Brainless, thanks.