My female came in heat 17 days ago. On day 8 thru 12 she wouldn't let the stud dog mount her. Day 13, 14, and 15 i wasnt not able to put her with the stud. Day 16 i put them together and there was ALOT of action but no tie. Day 17 she was flagging him and he mounted twice but now there is no interest. They are just laying around. Is it too late? Is there anything i can do? Do i continue to try? She is still swollen and bleeding some as of last night. Havent noticed any blood today. This is also their first breeding. My female is 2 and on her 3rd heat cycle and the male is 1. Thanks in advance.

On the 16th day you say a lot of action but no tie...you don't need a tie, to get a litter but did he actually penetrate & stay for any length of time? You may well have missed the best days 13/14/15.
I would suggest you forget trying anymore this season, as your male is only a year old & your bitch will still be young enough on her next cycle. It may also help if you can have someone experienced with mating dogs assist you.

The "alot of action" was him mounting her many time and her standing. At first he was all over the place so we tried holding my female still. He didnt seem to be as interested when we tried to help. There was only 1 time that something may have happened. It was hard for me to tell if he actually penetrated her but after he got off my female started humping. He was erect when he got off and stayed that way for a couple mins. After that he kept mounting her. So ive marked my calendar but im insure if anything really happened.

I just separated them because there was no interest on his part but now my female is trying to flag my other female.

Why are you trying to breed to a one year old stud dog?

Has he passed all his health tests, is he an excellent example of the breed?

Honestly, in a world where there are dogs being killed every day because there are too many of them around, you need to be raising a pretty amazing litter from outstandingly good and proven dogs, to justify producing more deliberately.

I'm all for helping new breeders and giving advice, but I won't give advice if the breeding seems ill-advised, irresponsible or done by people who clearly don't understand what they're doing and are already in the thick of it... What are they going to do when it's 4am and a puppy is stuck and they are whelping with no knowledge at all...?  I don't want to facilitate these kinds of breedings...

> now my female is trying to flag my other female.

this means nothing....bitches can flag when not even in season.

I understand your concern and I appreciate your information. Both dogs have been cleared by a vet. The vet did say the male may still be too young but i could still try. If my female gets pregnant thats great. I have several homes lined up already. If she doesnt thats ok too.

I worked at a vet for 7 years but i do not have as much knowledge about breeding as I would like. We did a few AI's but not alot on the actually breeding part. However i was very lucky enough to be able to assist in many deliveries and c-sestions so I have alot of hands on in that department thank goodness.

I was just trying to get some helpful information. Thank you

I know i was just being funny. I guess i should have put "lol" in there. Sorry

Is your vet a specialist in Canine health testing ??

ALL breeding dogs & bitches should have all specific health tests done as well as the basics of hips & elbows(regardless of their breed)

A GP vet check doesn't really mean anything other than at the time they were examined the dog was in apparent good health

> Both dogs have been cleared by a vet.

A general health check is good, but what about the hip x-rays, the DNA testing, the eye specialist eye tests for signs of hereditary conditions, the hearing tests and so on?

The average fertile period during a bitch's season is between days 10 and 15, although some ovulate earlier and some later. It seems as if you missed your window this time around.

> It was hard for me to tell if he actually penetrated her

When the dog actually ejaculates you will see what looks like ladder climbing, it's all upward motion as oppose to the classic humping which is more about getting position and  entry.

It does sound like your bitch has gone over, but hard to be sure with him being a maiden dog.

It is quite common for inexperienced males getting confused and stopping proceedings when you try to assist, which is why you need to teach him to accept it very subtly.

It would be best for him to be used on a proven bitch for his first time.

Next time with your won bitch I would have the progesterone tests done so you know your timing is spot on.

He started humping faster but i didnt notice the "ladder climb". If i decide to breed her again then i will definitely do the testing done to make sure she is ready and also find a proven male.

Thank you for my info. It was very helpful.

Compared to the amount of money you will have already spent on all of the health tests for your bitch and dog, the cost of progesterone tesing is fairly cheap (and really useful ).