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Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / Puppy food for border collie
- By Peter57 [gb] Date 26.11.18 13:48 UTC
Can someone tell me the best food to get for a 10 week old border collie pup I should I ask the breeder what she is feeding them and how many times she is feeding them also what size food and water bowls.
- By Tommee Date 26.11.18 14:47 UTC Upvotes 2
Have you found your puppy then ?

Good breeders will give you a diet sheet etc. Plus enough food for at least 10 days or so so you can either continue with the same food or gradually switch over(around 10 % a day for complete food). I've never fed complete food, my dogs have always been fed raw, even puppies that have been fed compete, without any problems from when I get them.

As to water & food bowls, stainless steel for me everytime & the food bowls are the same size for adults as puppies
- By Peter57 [gb] Date 26.11.18 15:15 UTC
Yes I found a puppy I am going a tomorrow to put a deposit on one then going to pick it up a few weeks later when he will be 10 week and 3 days the breeder is not KC registered  but she is a breeder do you think she well have had them vaccinated by the time I pick him up.

So you will the diet sheet tell me how much to feed feed the pup each day.
- By Jodi Date 26.11.18 15:26 UTC Upvotes 2
A good breeder will tell you everything you need to know about feeding, inoculations and exercise needs when a puppy and an adult. Best advice is to ask the breeder
- By Merlot [gb] Date 26.11.18 16:02 UTC Upvotes 6
The breeder, if she is a good breeder should supply you with a diet sheet, food for a few days and a record of worming and flea treatments if done and any other treatment such as innoculations etc.  If she is as you say "a breeder" she should hold a licence from the counsel if she charges you for the puppy. To be honest she should be telling you she needs to meet you and assess you for suitability before you get anywhere near a puppy. Pups really should have an advice sheet outlining such things as food and treatments. The puppy should be micro chipped and even though not registered it should have been bred with care and brought up in the house. From your posts you are looking for a pet primarily and a long line of hard working farm dogs may not suit your needs. To say you are going to put a deposit down without having given you any information first is to me a warning sign that the pup is not coming from someone looking to have a long relationship with you but someone who just needs the pups sold. The pups parents need to have been health tested too. The health of a pet is just as important as that of a show or working dog.
- By Tommee Date 26.11.18 16:17 UTC Upvotes 1
Are both parents fully health tested(or DNA normal by parentage for genetic conditions)? If not why not. Dogs don't have to be registered to be health tested & proof held.

Border Collies have 2 registries they can be registered with not just the KC. Breeders are NOT KC or ISDS registered their dogs should be, so that health tests can be checked.

I would never consider an unregistered puppy unless it was from a rescue.

Don't forget from 1st October 2018 if the total INCOME(not profit) from a litter is over £1,000 then the breeder has to be licensed, so is this breeder LA licensed ?

Puppies should not be vaccinated until the maternal immunity has waned which is usually after 10 weeks of age.
- By Peter57 [gb] Date 26.11.18 16:24 UTC
She advertises on pets4home and the information is there in black and white and tells you about vaccination and if she is registered or as you say by the local council it did say last week that there was health checked and vaccinations are up to date but this week it doesn't say it I know there was a litter of eight now there are 4 left I don't know if that was the reason for the info changing.
- By Whatevernext Date 26.11.18 16:47 UTC Upvotes 2
Peter, why are you asking whether we think the pups will be vaccinated if the information is there in "black and white".   How are you going to assure yourself that these pups have been reared using healthy parents and by a breeder who wants the very best for the pups rather than profit?    A good breeder will give you all the information and everything you need for the very best start with a new pup.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 26.11.18 16:55 UTC Upvotes 1
1.  Good breeders should give you a diet sheet with ALL the information you need to kknow going forward and most would give you a small supply of the food used, although if you ask ahead of time, you should be able to get out to buy the same.
2.   Many breeders don't vaccinate because all too often, the new owner's vet will ignore what's been done and start again.   We never vaccinated our puppies unless we had any not gone by the time we had those we were 'running on' (by 10 weeks).  In which case they'd all be given the first shots.
3.   You should be given a health certificate covering basic health at the time of sale, from their vet, together with information about worming done, when and with what.

We had a 'puppy pack' containing all the information new owners needed to have.

I really don't like Pets4 as a general puppy sale website much as these days, in my breed, more and more 'reputable' breeders are advertising there.   Be careful - go visit, see mum and any other adults they have, how they look and where they are being kept.  But you need to do that regardless of where the breeder is advertising.
- By Ells-Bells [gb] Date 26.11.18 17:06 UTC
I would expect to be given all of this information so you can get prepared for when puppy comes home.  Do you know why pups won't be registered?  A good question to ask the 'breeder'.
Above all, if you're not 100% sure of everything - walk away!
- By Whatevernext Date 26.11.18 17:08 UTC Upvotes 1
Peter I might have misunderstood your post.  The info on vacs was there but now isn't??  You should ask the breeder before you go to see the pups.  Write down all the questions you want answering and then either phone or email.  There have been some really helpful posts here to help you and there is also some great info on the internet.  Best to try and get your questions answered before you visit because when you see the pup you can fall for them instantly and every bit of common sense and gut feel just disappears in my experience.  Once you get some answers there are many people here who can help clarify or point out any worries.  A good breeder should be very happy that you are asking important questions about the pup.
- By suejaw Date 26.11.18 17:16 UTC
A vet check isnt health tests. You need to make sure both parents have been health tested for the relevant tests in the breed.
- By Tommee Date 26.11.18 17:42 UTC
So the advert stated fully health tested parents, licensed breeder, puppies vaccinated etc etc etc ? And now it doesn't ????
- By Peter57 [gb] Date 26.11.18 17:54 UTC
Yes it said health tested and but not KC Registered or licensed by the council they are Microchipped she has sold 4 of the eight litter I have contacted the breeder just waiting for reply.
- By Tommee Date 26.11.18 18:33 UTC Upvotes 1
PARENTS fully health tested or just the puppies health tested (or maybe vet checked)
- By Peter57 [gb] Date 26.11.18 18:42 UTC
Don't think it's the puppies they not ready to go till the 30th and we are only picking him up  on the 17th of next month and the pups can be viewed with mum at the breeders home.
- By Tommee Date 26.11.18 20:55 UTC Upvotes 2
What isn't the puppies ? The health testing ? If the puppies are not registered with the KC or ISDS it is highly unlikely that the parents have been health at all. Having had Border Collies for over 50 years I would now only buy a puppy from fully health tested parents, untested parents means the risk of TNS & CL two fatal genetic conditions let alone CEA(CH) which can lead to blindness
- By Brainless [gb] Date 26.11.18 21:14 UTC
Not to mention crippling Hip Dysplasia if there is no Hip scoring of the parental lines.
- By Whatevernext Date 26.11.18 21:37 UTC
Think both parents are working dogs on a small farm.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 26.11.18 21:42 UTC Upvotes 3
Working dogs are no exempt from having or producing HD. 

I sadly know of a few farm bred collies and working springer's and Labradors who are crippled with arthritis at a  young age, and ne severely so by a year of age.

I have had 8 generations of dogs who all have been able to stay fit and active up to 15 years of age, in no small part I am sure by selecting for health by screening.
- By Tommee Date 27.11.18 01:14 UTC Upvotes 1
Sadly the fact that both parents work doesn't mean they don't have the genes that produce serious health problems.

I have a "small farm"(actually a small holding")all my dogs work & all but one(who's a rescue) are from fully health tested parents & my dogs are health tested despite the fact I don't breed & never have bred any puppies(even had the rescue hip scored & eye tested)

Please think very carefully. If there were 8 puppies unless they are being sold for less than £125 each then the breeder has to be licensed with effect from 1st October 2018.
- By smithy29 [gb] Date 10.12.18 19:45 UTC
Is this your 1st collie by any chance
Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / Puppy food for border collie

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