Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any courses on  dog training, where i would train dogs rather than teaching a class, i would love to know how dogs are trained in different professions, such as scent work, obedience, agility, search and rescue, assistance dogs etc, Preferably accredited.

Have a look at imdt or apdt and avoid anything that isn't postive reinforcement

Idmt are proving popular and something I'm looking at. There is another one as well Cambridge institute of dog behaviour and training. Both I have been recommended.
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anything that isn't postive reinforcement

Interesting, if not bizarre, that you should say that, it's B F Skinners technical term, no one else's!

Skinner said,
(1)"There are thus two kinds of reinforcing stimuli—positive and the cessation of a positive reinforcement acts as a negative, the cessation of a negative as a positive"

Video's
'Negative Reinforced' behaviours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WGNQEfQsIs

co active positive & negative reinforced behaviours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEvPRkNmbg

Ref
(1) B F Skinner, P66, 'The Behaviour of Organisms', 1938.
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Dogs Responses To Positive Reinforcing Stimuli. UK Dogs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpq6dehAfxk
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Technically speaking, you can't avoid anything that isn't positive reinforcement (apologies ff, I am being a bit pedantic here!):  even the most positive trainers employ negative punishment (withholding something the dog wants/likes) in their training.  You'd be better looking for 'force-free' as a definition, and avoid training techniques that employ positive punishment (aversives, which is adding anything the dog doesn't like to stop a behaviour - this can be anything from a harsh tone up to electric shocks).  But, if you're learning the theory behind it all, you will learn about those.

I would also add that you should look for a course that discusses dominance theory/pack theory in depth, but does NOT advocate it - it is outdated and debunked.  You do need to know about it to understand why it doesn't apply, though!

avoid training techniques that employ 'positive punishment'

When you use the term 'positive', in the context of 'punishment, are referring to Skinners operant theory of learning or something else?
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I think the best training advice we can give you on here is to put Hethspaw on ignore

I think the best training advice we can give you on here is to put Hethspaw on ignore

Oooooooh, so you want me all to yourself....try a little harder
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Thanks everyone, im already doing an canine behaviour management course, its going through the understanding, psychology and behaviour really well but i just feel i lack knowledge on training techniques, i dont want to teach classes but i would like to get my own dog (and future dogs) into some sports. and maybe train other peoples dogs in it too, i would also love to learn about the search and rescue dogs, assistant dogs, detection dogs etc, just because im nosey and love learning :)

Forgetting technical terms I think most people understood exactly what I  meant .

and for the record I was trying to think of a way of putting what I meant that would be understood by everyone. I suppose I could have said avoid cm  type trainers :) understand your pedantry Nikita as we have others to consider ( wish I could do the wink sign)

rescue dogs, assistant dogs, detection dogs

Have you got spaniels? assistance dogs have a wide range of working tasks, maybe explore the deaf aid dogs training establishment or guide dog establishments as well as any of the SAR organizations & get some idea of what they/you need, maybe you will enjoy a freezing, windy winter on the Cairngorms
One of my Dobes was used as a therapy dog in one of the old psychiatric hospitals (originally asylums) in the late 1980's, it came about as the result of some photography I was doing there, it was a very demanding environment on the dog, he was not allowed on 2 of the wards but generally he had a calming effect on many patients but care had to be taken patients did not get emotionally to close to him, some moving stills (scans from contact sheets) below around 1989.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pj2RO8MHK4
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LabGeorge
i would also love to learn about the search and rescue dogs

HP
Just something so often overlooked and or never mentioned in public about that kind of work, your dog may well be asked to work in unstable life & limb threatening conditions at any time, only human loss of life in the 9/11 collapses, no mention of the SAR dogs welfare which had to search in highly unstable conditions & other similar situations etc, just a point to consider.
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What about joining a good Working Trials club? The ones with regular classes are admittedly are rather few and far between, but you will learn lots of transferrable skills should you decide to specialise later on. There are private classes too. See Working Trials World for more details. SARDA would be the people to approach if people searching is your main interest - usually Spaniels or Sheepdogs are preferred for mountain and moorlands.

Sorry. From 1st. July 2016 renamed Working Trials Info.

I have bought a gun dog club book and working on training him in that. he has the natural instinct already, very strong, and is from a long line of FT champs.

I live near the dales so SAR would be more in the moorland i guess rather than an earthquake or disaster zone unless i moved, but i do intended on taking a canine first aid course regardless.

If you have the time you could look at volunteering or an aprentaship at a training kennel/place.

This is something I bookmarked for myself for scent training. They do workshops. I don't know if it's what you want,. but worth a look.

http://talkingdogsscentwork.co.uk/Talking_Dogs_Scentwork/Welcome.html

Forgetting technical terms I think most people understood exactly what I  meant

What a bad attitude to the 'language of the subject' you are talking about you have. The vast majority of the UK prison population is made up of people who took other peoples positive reinforcing  stimuli, eg, the Hatton Garden jewel thieves were after 'positive reinforcing' stimuli >in the same way the the dogs in the clip below are responding to what are 'positive reinforcing' stimuli..........going back to your inappropriate comment above, why do you enjoy spreading ignorance as if it is a disease or are you just another sucker who's been brainwashed/indoctrinated to scatter dangerous nonsense around on behalf of??

Dogs Responses To Positive Reinforcing Stimuli. UK Dogs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpq6dehAfxk
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> HP<br />Just something so often overlooked and or never mentioned in public about that kind of work, your dog may well be asked to work in unstable life & limb threatening conditions at any time, only human loss of life in the 9/11 collapses, no mention of the SAR dogs welfare which had to search in highly unstable conditions & other similar situations etc, just a point to consider.<br />.

Volunteer SAR dogs aren't put into those types of situation. They tend to search for missing and vulnerable people and the local police force are the ones who call them in to help. It was my aim to do this with one of my dogs but he was 6 months too old to start the training.

The dogs who search buildings and unsafe terrain in disaster areas are a part of the Fire Service if I remember correctly. Our training club had a brilliant talk and demo from one of their team. Those dogs are trained to ground scent , air scent and track.

The volunteer SAR dog handlers are a part of the local Lowland SAR teams - and then there are the volunteers who also work mountain rescue.