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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Endorsements - Hereditary Clear
- By rjsxx [gb] Date 09.03.15 13:42 UTC
Sorry second post of the day..and not wanting to start any debates.

Im not wanting to run before i can walk, as puppies are only 5 days old and currently not being advertised, but myself and stud owner/mentor have been discussing endorsements.
Breed health tests make the puppies hereditary clear so cant endorse for those reasons. Am i a hypocrite if i endorse just because i want to approve the breeding?
My dog wasn't endorsed when i bought her, however they are fast becoming a very popular breed selling for £££. No expense has been spared on this mating or litter, months of research, many vet consults just for peace of mind if you like and I feel im doing everything in my power to be a responsible breeder. I have no problems with the puppies being bred from IF they are suitable, or even being purchased with breeding in mind, if however things are going to be done how i feel they should. That already sounds patronising as this is my first litter, but i do not want these puppies being someones meal ticket. I am already gutted at the thought of parting with some of them, and plan on being Inspector Morse when finding them their forever homes. I would never forgive myself if i brought a life into this world who was going to go without home comforts, be bred from asap, and sold on once worthless. I regularly check the puppy ads for my breed and sadly see endless '18month old unproven stud for sale' or '2 year old bitch for sale - due in season soon', or the endless unregistered litters from registered parents.

Opinions please?
- By Goldmali Date 09.03.15 13:49 UTC Upvotes 1
As far as I am concerned, endorsements are about a LOT more than just health test results. The dog has to be proven to be a good example of its breed -so I would want to see it either shown or worked with decent results. Plus of course have breed typical temperament, and the owner be in a good position to breed -not working full time and being unable to take a few weeks off work, that sort of thing. So yes I would always endorse no matter what, and mention in the contract that the dog has to be healthy, proven to be breed typical and of sound department, and any breeding plans to be discussed with the breeder.
- By rjsxx [gb] Date 09.03.15 14:11 UTC
Thanks for your response. Oh i definitely agree, endorsements are about so much more than health testing. I just didn't no how to go about wording when health tests are not necessary. Previous pets within the extended family, different breed, have always been endorsed for hip/elbow scores. Obviously when explaining the endorsement the breeder always said for example 'should you wish to breed her/him, firstly i would need the following health tests results and your vet certifying the health of dog and we can go from there to assess their suitability'.
- By suejaw Date 09.03.15 14:17 UTC Upvotes 1
Are there no other health tests required for the breed?
I'd still put on endorsements because while you do your best the temperament and behaviour of a dog can change drastically with it's owner, it may not grow up to be a good specimen of the breed.
So I would be putting in the contract that they are endorsed and if they want them lifted you need to see the dog and agree that it's a good specimen and maybe explain that you want it to prove itself in a canine discipline.
- By rjsxx [gb] Date 09.03.15 14:28 UTC
Thats a good way of wording things suejaw, thanks for your input.
- By Lynneb [gb] Date 09.03.15 16:38 UTC
I always endorse my puppies and I also add in the contract "the puppies must not be bred from unless with written permission from the breeder" Hopefully this will stop being used for unregistered breeding as well. I would think that a large percentage of unregistered puppies are from endorsed parents.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 09.03.15 20:22 UTC Edited 09.03.15 20:24 UTC Upvotes 1
My contract says re endorsements in addition to health testing:

"Should you wish to breed from your puppy in the future, provided he/she is of sound temperament and general health with no major conformation faults according to the KC breed standard (and preferably shown), and you are able to offer the long term commitment to be an ethical breeder/Stud dog owner, taking lifelong responsibility for the welfare of any puppies bred, I can then apply to the ‘Kennel Club’ to lift the breeding restriction AT NO EXTRA COST TO THE BUYER. "

Then I list the health tests and results required.

"Any potential plan for breeding should be discussed with me in advance.  These requirements are in line with  and ‘THE NORWEGIAN ELKHOUND CLUB OF GREAT BRITAIN’ Codes of Ethics."

Sadly I have updated it thus due to an owner who health tested, but in other ways was unsuitable to breed a litter (no permanent address, poor health, and intended to breed her over the advised age for a first litter).
Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Endorsements - Hereditary Clear

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