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- By St.Domingo Date 08.11.14 08:15 UTC
I have finally decided to get my dog's annual vaccination - for insurance purposes - after she had a reaction to her first annual booster. They are going to give her the same as she had for her puppy jabs.
However, when I was talking to the nurse she mentioned having to start over again as her booster is 6 months overdue.
Now, I am pretty sure that I have read on here that you never restart, just carry on from before, and I don't want her having any more than she needs. So, can anyone point me in the direction of the info that proves this. I don't want a showdown in the surgery as it's going to be hard enough taking her there in the first place.
TIA.
- By dogsbody100 Date 08.11.14 09:04 UTC
http://www.wsava.org/guidelines/vaccination-guidelines

If you are using Nobivac the Booster recommendations are here
http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/MSD_Animal_Health/Nobivac_DHPPi/-29490.html
- By Brainless [gb] Date 08.11.14 16:50 UTC
No dog that has had the full course even needs the full course again.

In fact no dog needs a puppy course once immunologically mature for the modified live vaccines.

From the NOAH compendium link above:
"Primary course vaccination: A single injection should establish active immunity to canine distemper, infectious canine hepatitis and disease caused by canine parvovirus infection in dogs of 10 weeks of age or older."
- By ridgielover Date 08.11.14 20:30 UTC
Just wondering if you've considered having her titre tested rather than injected again? Especially bearing in mind that she's already had a reaction to the vaccine. Is it worth discussing this with your insurance company?
- By St.Domingo Date 08.11.14 21:05 UTC
She had Nobivac for her puppy jabs but reacted to whatever she had for the first annual booster.
I would try talking to the insurance company but getting to speak to the right person would be the problem. And they would probably just say that she needs to be vaccinated in line with the policy.
I would quite happily never vaccinate her again - the dog I had in the 80's didn't have any after her puppy jabs - but I don't have access to money should an emergency or long term condition happen.
I really am between a rock and a hard place.
- By ridgielover Date 08.11.14 21:26 UTC
I haven't boosted any of mine and they are insured with Pet Plan. Pet Plan have paid every claim that I have made. I realise that I wouldn't be able to claim for conditions which they could have been vaccinated for, but I'm prepared to take that risk.
- By Noora Date 08.11.14 23:57 UTC
Many vaccinations are not annual anymore but every three years I think.
who do you insure with?
I only give puppy vaccinations and tick a box of not vaccinated in claim forms.
Always had all claims paid but would not be covered if they caught an illness you can vaccinate against.  I would not revaccinate if dog had a reaction, would rather change insurance company if no existing conditions?
- By St.Domingo Date 09.11.14 07:53 UTC
She is insured with The Kennel Club which is Agria Pet Insurance Ltd.

In the conditions it says, 'Your pet's vaccinations are up to date.'
In general conditions it says, 'If your pet is a dog you must keep it vaccinated against distemper, hepatitis, leptospirosis and parvovirus.' 'If you do not keep your pet vaccinated we will not help you with any costs that result from an illness you must vaccinate it against.'
'Homeopathic nosodes are not acceptable as vaccines'.

So looking at that, they wouldn't pay out if she got one of those diseases but would pay out for anything else ? I will have to ring and confirm.

When I asked about her second annual vaccination the nurse said she would be given the same vaccination that she had as a puppy. How often should she be vaccinated ?
I see that it doesn't say in the policy how often she should be vaccinated.
- By St.Domingo Date 09.11.14 08:17 UTC
So now I am a little confused and hopefully you can help me out.
The insurance asks for distemper, hepatitis, leptospirosis and parvovirus.
Reading the Nobivac link it says that it includes distemper, parvo and adenovirus. So where is the Lepto and hepatitis ?

Both of the links provided seem to state that vaccinations are 3 yearly so I need to speak to my vet and find out why she wants to vaccinate yearly.
I assume the parainfluenza virus that the Nobivac link mentions is kennel cough ? So my dog wouldn't need it.

This is more confusing and worrying than when I took my kids for their MMR !!!
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 09.11.14 08:42 UTC Edited 09.11.14 08:46 UTC
Lepto is a separate vaccine given annually. Nobivac DHPPi gives protection against distemper, hepatitis, parvovirus and parainfluenza. The kennel cough vaccine is usually against bordetella bronchiseptica as well as parainfluenza and is also an annual vaccine (squirted up the nose, not injected).

Not all pracices use Nobivac vaccines; ours uses Canigen, which is identucal for all practical purposes. However some brands differ (Vanguard, Duramune etc) so you need to check the datasheet for each to find out the recommended booster protocol.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 09.11.14 08:47 UTC Edited 09.11.14 08:51 UTC
However, when I was talking to the nurse she mentioned having to start over again as her booster is 6 months overdue.

I'd resist getting it started over.   And further, provided the puppy has all the puppy shots plus a booster 12 months on for the lot, it's perfectly okay to switch to a 3-yearly booster schedule, apart from the one for Leptospirosis which drops over a 12 month period and needs boostering every year.   Plus rabies, by law, where applicable of course.

Although as far as I was told, costly, it might be as well to do titres on your dog if she had a reaction the first time she was boostered.

ps    What's more important, risking your puppy having another reaction again, or invalidating that part of your insurance?    I'd suggest your dog won't go down with one of the diseases vaccinated against in any case, so you'd never be making an insurance claim for something like distemper, hep. Lepto and so on?
- By Brainless [gb] Date 09.11.14 13:18 UTC
Depending who you believe for the diseases caused by viruses immunity lasts many years or the lifetime of the animal.  I not the wording states vaccinated not boostered.

http://peterdobias.com/blogs/blog/11014173-study-on-duration-of-immunity-to-canine-vaccines

CORE VACCINES

Canine Distemper Virus (CDV  
Rockbom Strain 7 yrs / 15 yrs challenge / serology
Onderstepoort Strain 5 yrs / 9 yrs challenge / serology
Canine Adenovirus-2 (CAV-2) 7 yrs / 9 yrs challenge-CAV-1 / serology
Canine Parvovirus-2 (CAV-2) 7 yrs challenge / serology
Canine Rabies 3 yrs / 7yrs challenge / serology

NON-CORE VACCINES

Canine parainfluenza 3 yrs. serology
Bordetella bronchiseptica 9 months challenge
Leptospira interrogans ser. canicola ? 
Leptospira icterohaemorrhagiac ? 
Borrelia burgdorfen 1 yr. challenge
Giardia ? 
Canine Coronavirus Lifetime (whether
vaccinated or not
vaccinated)
- By furriefriends Date 09.11.14 18:19 UTC
Lepto has very recently beenoves to core
Personally o only do puppy vaccines AMD  insured.most I auramcea will pay out for anything.other than illness connected to those that vaccines prevent. I would not start the whole course again AMS I'd I has a dog that has vaccine reaction I wouldn't go anywhere near vacxines.also for further reassance as someone said you could titre twat. Also I'd you are on Feb join canine health concern the group will give you further info if you need it
Lots of good links given
- By samsmum [gb] Date 09.11.14 19:26 UTC
Animal Friends accept that my dogs are not vaccinated but that I use homoeopathic nosodes. On any claim form I don't tick that they are vaccinated but add the info about the nosodes just underneath the box. They are not covered for any condition that the vaccination could have prevented but I am prepared to take the risk. Have had a couple of really bad experiences following vaccination in the past.
- By Lacy Date 09.11.14 21:04 UTC
">She is insured with The Kennel Club which is Agria Pet Insurance Ltd

So are our two, they haven't had anything but lepto for 5/6 years, spoke to the insurance company - perhaps I should check again - but was told that I'd be covered for everything still apart from illness related to distemper, hepatitis & parvo. Haven't had any problem with claims.
- By furriefriends Date 10.11.14 12:06 UTC Edited 10.11.14 12:10 UTC
Just to update what I was trying to say when typing by phone. I doubt many of you would bother to read my awfully badly typed post. sorry !

First I wouldn't have any further vaccinations in any animal that has had a reaction.
It isnt necessary ,as most have said, to restart the whole course in any case although a lot of vets try and tell you is mine included.

Being a member of a number of groups regarding dogs, health and vaccination the discussion of vaccination comes up time and time again and often questions regarding insurance. Further research shows that most companies are happy to continue to insure you for everything else except the illnesses protected by vaccination

look into titre testing, not all vets readily offer it although they should and that will give you an idea of what immunity your dog already has. if you are on fb join canine health concern group there are lots of people there who have even more knowledge and evidence as to if you should or shouldn't vaccinate and alternatives and where to go for titre testing if your vet isnt helpful

The links and comments already made are excellent ones so def have a good read especially of the protocols.

If insurance companies start insisting on vaccinations which arnt a requirement by law I think we have something serious to complain about to the whole industry. There is no reason why my dog if she had an accident and say broke a leg shouldn't be covered just because she isnt vaccinated. Also insurance is based on statistics and I am sure there is no statistical evidence to say a dog without vaccinations is more likely to have an accident or 101 other things. in fact the reverse could be true except there will be no data on that either .

All in all if the only reason you were reconsidering is insurance ring them up and double check and then don't worry , that's simply what I would and have done
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