Hi All,

I thought I would share this with you as i found it a good read.

Click here: http://www.ukrmb.co.uk/images/Research%20Paper%20-%20Raw%20Diet%20v%20Kibble%20Diet%20.pdf

Tony

I started reading slowly, but ended up skim reading as it seems so pro raw feeding and so anti kibble. I am sure there are scientific reports around to show the opposite, that kibble is safer than raw. So in other words you do what you feel is best for you and your dogs and let the debate rumble on and on.
I trust Arden Grange not to use road kill or cancerous animals and doubt that any of the other well known 'good' foods would do this either, so I think there may be quite a bit of scaremongering to get their point across.

Anyone using UK made foods will find the rules are pretty strict as to what animals can be used.

Yep, sure am, I am not prepared to pay more for my dogs food than my own, or pay more than a good complete.  At present it costs me 40p per meal for complete at around £2 per kg.  I can't buy a pound of dog meat for that, plus supplements.

Since raw feeding has taken off again buying the raw works out as expensive as buying for the family.  Few places will now sell direct to a dog owner (local abattoirs all seel to wholesale raw sellers).

Gone are the days when my local old fashioned butcher (now closed) who did his own jointing would give me carrier bags of left over meat and bones.  I can't even get enough recreational bones for 6 dogs, and the occasional litter, locally, so resort to buying hooves) and that is paying by the pound.

I do not have room for a freezer to make buying in bulk an option, so would have to buy three or four times a week to feed my lot, so yep lazy dog feeder here.

I supplement mine with raw whenever I can, as we know a retired slaughter man who goes in part time and every few months he might bring us something.  wish I could get those calves necks again, the dog loved them, and my OPH nearly cried when eh saw what he could have used for his dinner.

Of course they get all our leftovers too.

I have fed all raw in the past (for up to two years at a time) when I had only two/three dogs, and they were in no better or worse condition or health than they are now.

> Another lazy dog feeder!

Tony:  Who is?  sillysue because she admits she didn't read the article in its entirety, and said she trusted her kibble manufacturer, or Brainless because she expressed a view that UK food manufacturing rules might be more stringent than the US

I'm curious about exactly what point you are trying to make - all you did was post a link and say it was a good read...  If you'd like to debate the point this topic has come up a few times quite recently and I'm sure you can simply join in and tell us what YOU think :)

>my OPH

oops that should have been OH = Other Half

Yep, sure am, I am not prepared to pay more for my dogs food than my own, or pay more than a good complete.  At present it costs me 40p per meal for complete at around £2 per kg.  I can't buy a pound of dog meat for that, plus supplements.

Think you're just unlucky; what with finding a butcher letting us have meat and bones for next to nothing, I only buy specific pet meat (Natures Menu) for the toydogs and also at the moment just one sack of complete a month (as most of my dogs now refuse complete), and to feed a total of 21 dogs now costs me roughly £95 a month. I'm not the best at maths but I get that to about 7 p per meal. I don't give any supplements.

Raw feeding doesn't have to be expensive...period! I have met a lot of owners that say its to much hassle...I want the best for my RR and in my opinion RAW is the best in the long run and less vet bills if any. Some disagree and that's fine... Each to their own as they say..

>Each to their own as they say..

So no need to be rude. You're giving the impression of being one of the raw-feeding nazis who actually turn people away from the method.

And that's your opinion my dear.

As long as people feed what their dogs do well on, it shouldn't matter WHAT that food is.

Storage and access to other than commercially available raw products makes a huge difference to financial viability of feeding raw to more than a dog or two.

> Each to their own as they say..

Kito the RR: So no actual debate required then!!  Thanks for posting the paper but 'thumbs down' for calling kibble feeders lazy (or not explaining who/what or why when asked to explain that particular post).

JG: that's maybe not the wisest word to use - poor Freds Mum got completely roasted recently for using the very same one - but yes some raw feeders have a fanatical attitude which manages to put people off the very idea of raw feeding.  Shame...

I have met a lot of owners that say its to much hassle...I want the best for my RR and in my opinion RAW is the best in the long run and less vet bills if any.

Exactly, that is YOUR opinion, it doesn't mean that you are right. We all want the best for our dogs, but some of us have different OPINIONS than you, this is life. Please do not preach to us on here as we all feed what we feel is best for our dogs, our family and our circumstances.

Mmmm interesting. All the best and wish you all well ;-)