help...they were born yesterday morning at 7...weve fed them a zillion times...they seem happy and content but will they cry when hungry?I dunno if I have very lazy pugs or they are just full...I have 7 of them and was feeding them every 2 hours as required but they are just too content tonight and so far have gone four hours...I'm a tad worried with them being so tiny to leave them this long!!I've got them out to de poo and wee them and all have done so but they went staraight back to sleep on their little heat mat....am I doing this right...Do I wait for them to cry before feeding???helpppppp

jilly

wheres the mum? they would be much better being fed by her.

she had a c section and is refusing to accept them...I've tried she starts growling and attacking them and she has no milk...I have put them near her every hour since birth...she hates them....

They really do need to feed from Mum as they need her antibodies, muzzle if needed to protect the pups and sit with her the whole time - until they start feeding she will not have milk and she will soon become used to it and return to her normal stable self.

> she had a c section and is refusing to accept them...I've tried she starts growling and attacking them and she has no milk...I have put them near her every hour since birth...she hates them....

It sounds like you are having a difficult time but like Nova said they really do need the first milk from mum. I would get someone to hold her so you can let the pups feed from her whether she likes it or not. Hopefully as the effects of the anesthetic wear off she will gradually start to bond.

Yes, whether she likes it or not, they need mum's colustrum and milk. 

I believe this breed are not know to be brilliant mothers at the best of times. Correct me if im wrong .

mummy dodg has no milk at all so we are back to the bottle feeding...thanks for the info...has anyone used the colestrum out of a tub??is it any good??

the pups need to suck to stimulate the milk to come through, you could try milking the colostrum and share it between the pups, put the pups on mum at each feed, weighing the pups before and after being put on Mum will let you know if they are getting anything, teats nearest the back legs tend to flow better and put the smaller/weaker pups on those.

having a c/section means the labour came to an abrupt end rather than the hormones being allowed to act naturally to the end.

I too have read that pugs do not do well as dams, some will do nothing, others will not stimulate the pups to wee/poo regardless of what tasty treat has been smeared on the pups rear end, we don't get to hear about any that do the complete job of rearing her pups as it is problems that folk want help with.

Make sure you are keeping the pups very warm as the Canine Herpes Virus can take hold if they are allowed to get chilled even for a short period and the pups will start fading.

Good Luck, 2hrly feeds 24/7 is no joke.

I believe this breed are not know to be brilliant mothers at the best of times. Correct me if im wrong .

I think that you're right, which is why breeding them is best left to experienced breeders.

miss-brazil, that's a large litter.  How much does the dam weigh?

Yes I too have heard pugs don't make good mums, though I know there's one or two people on here that have worked hard for many generations to have a self whelping good caring line. Keep getting the puppies to suckle to try to stimulate milk flow, even if you then need to top up. Good luck! Sounds like a huge litter for the breed too!

Oh bless, you must be worried sick. We have been very lucky and Bella self-whelped a litter if five who are now 4 weeks old. One of the pups was tiny and I did try and bottle feed her and she was just getting pushed out of the way. In the end I resorted to making Bella lie down and encouraging the little one to feed when the others had finished. I don't have any advice as to how to cope after the C section (was this an emergency?) but sure someone else will...I will txt a breeder friend and ask her to reply to your post too!
Good luck and keep in touch 24/7 with your vet. I hope all goes well.

> I don't have any advice as to how to cope after the C section (was this an emergency?)

????  All sections are pretty much emergencies!

Apart from elective which I'm guessing this wasn't.

At the risk of being accused of being picky, why is the breed allowed to be seen in this thread, but not in others concerning pups?  

If the regular contributors aren't allowed to state the breed because of advertising, why is this thread exempt?

Mmmmm.  No, not picky, as it crossed my mind that the breed shouldn't be mentioned really.

Not ethical.

The breed is allowed to be mentioned when it is relevant to the question, In this case because the breed are renowned for not being very good mothers.

"???  All sections are pretty much emergencies!

Apart from elective which I'm guessing this wasn't. "

I've seen some stuff on another Forum that would make you want to scream - Second elective C sections, terrible...

Just read that post back and sorry if it offended anyone - there was just one particular case :(

thankyou all for the replys.. and yes it was an emergency section that cost me a god dam fortune...
I've managed to get willy to lay still enough for the 2 remaining puppies to feed since sunday..I do it every 2 and a half hours.
The other 5 puppies were taken into the vets(they all were)but 4 died from a virus whilst there...To say I'm upset is an understatement.Poor little buggers.
I didnt go into this blind I had bought everything I could possibly need to hand reer puppies.I have read so many books and online stuff I could be a vet...lol
Its hard work...I havent been in my own bed since the 10th of august.
2 pups remaining seem to be doing ok although I rushed one to the vets on monday as she had a destended tummy...they didnt do much but I seem to have nursed her back to health although I 'm not counting my chickens yet.They are gaining weight.they dont poo very often but when they do they do a huge poo!!both are on antibiotics and so is mum..

thankyou all for the advice very much appreciated

jilly

just noticed this post too, if the dam isn't cleaning them are you stimulating them to poo yourself?

Good news that she is starting to feed them, and yes either she or you should be stimulating them to poo. Try dabbing a little honey on their bottoms to encourage mum to lick them.

thankyou ladies I have been doing the bottom and tuppence wipes since day one...not the most pleasant of jobs but has to be done..thanks for the advice...I shall try honey thanks love.

jilly