Hi all, took my bitch to her stud 10 days ago, all went well and they tied for around 30 mins, however, around 2 hours later she lost a little blood, which stopped after about an hour, is this normal?. my other worry is that she is loosing some creamy/milky coloured, odourless discharge , i have tried to find some info on various sites an it appears to be fairly normal for her to have some discharge but not until about 3 weeks after the tie occurred. She also has slightly enlarged nipples. Is this normal so soon after mating?

It is not unusual for the bleeding to get worse after mating before it subsides altogether.

Any discharge is a concern, it could be infection or it may be nothing, a trip to the vets is in order if you are worried.

Very early signs of pregnancy in my experience means a phantom, had a bitch who had 4 lasting 6-7 weeks, on one occasion she looked more pregnant than my bitch who was 5 days ahead of her and went on to have pups.

Hi. Do not know about the blood but my eldest  girl also had creamy white discharge about 11 days after breeding. It only lasted a day and The studowner said it was a early sign of pregnancy.. and she was right!!! Good luck!!  I am sending   lots of "puppydust " to you!!

This all sounds very normal to me. All our bitches have had a white,cream discharge,some as soon as season has finished,some about 3 weeks.I would not be worries if she was mine as long as it did not smell. Might not be pleasant but I check mine for any smell with a tissue.

One of our bitches has just whelped 3 days ago and she had a yellow discharge at the end of season turning to white over a few days which carried on all through pregnancy....resulting in 10 puppies.

I would not worry about the blood after mating either....all sounds normal...good luck.

Hi there just read this post lol my bitch was mated 14 days ago and for last 3 days she is discharging white milky discharge there is no smell was taken her to my vet to have her checked but sounds as if this normal this her first mating and she is 5

Sounds perfectly normal,

Ali

hi my bitch was bleeding and also had dishcharge for over two weeks in pregnancy,it stopped week before she gave birth,we were honestly expecting at least one puppy not survive,she was scanned at 35 days,and safetly delivered three babys and day 62/61,not all have sad endings my bitch was well just off food during her pregnancy not unwell in any other way,i did question if vets should of given treatment which they didn't,and thankfully a happy ending for us,i don't intend on letting my bitch have any more litters,we have found it very upsetting,hope its a good outcome for your bitch xxx

As I said this her 1st litter ( hopefully)we had unsuccessful matings in the past with her this was the last season we were mating her so fingers crossed x today her discharge has went from milky white to  clear . She has been taking naps more than usual but other wise her loving beautiful self .

A clear or milky discharge at 3 weeks is in my girls often a pretty good indication of pregnancy and nothing at all to worry about as long as there is no smell or illness.
Aileen

😡 had my bitch on friday to confirm pregnancy very disappointed he couldnt feel anything said he 99% sure she is not .. have to take her back friday to check again .. not looking good but still gaining wait and her temprement changed ..

How is your vet checking for pregnancy? and how many days since mating? You really need a scan to be certain. Palpation is only possible for a very few days at 3 weeks so if outside those days the vet may not be able to feel anything. But neither should she be gaining weight if only 4 weeks post mating. My last litter bitch was looking and acting completely normally. no weight gain when she was scanned at 4 weeks. Scan showed at least 10 puppies. She went on to have 11!!!

At 4 weeks post mating my girl had gained alot of weight despite hardly eating. She was scanned at day 31(big tummy already) one pup possible two seen.

As she continued to gain weight, with big tum for her days pregnant, I had her scanned at day 42 and four BIG puppies were seen. She had four BIG puppies for her breed.

She was mated 1st sept .. she was booked in for scan last friday but vet done palpation first and couldnt feel anything have to take her back friday for scan to make sure .. vet did say that she has alot of room high up and is very deep for her breed .. has been sick last 2 mornings .. still her happy active self and eating well xx

So she hasn't had a scan yet? It looks like she will be 33 days on Friday which is a good time to scan. Two of my girls puppies were high up under her ribs which made them difficult to see on the first scan. Good luck, all may yet be well.

have to take her back friday for scan to make sure ..

Once again, much as others disagree, I'd save your money.   Scans only confirm, or not, a pregnancy at the time of the scan.   If you had a couple (or just one!) of good matings, why not wait and make arrangements for a litter?   If she goes over by more than a couple of days, provided she's not in trouble before that, then take her in for x-ray, which is far more accurate than scans in any case.   What would usually happen is your vet would do a manual check, maybe x-ray or maybe just give a shot to get things moving and then if nothing happens, x-ray.

You should see puppies moving around by week 7 in any case, if there are any!!

I think Cass is only anxious to confirm wether pregnant or not at this stage, particularly as she has had unsuccessful mating in the past. Wether it continues to live puppies is, at this stage not the issue I believe.

I think Cass is only anxious to confirm wether pregnant or not at this stage, particularly as she has had unsuccessful mating in the past. Wether it continues to live puppies is, at this stage not the issue I believe.

Again, a scan will only do this (confirm a pregnancy) at the time of the scan.   Anything might happen between the time the scan is done, and the time she's due to whelp?   What is she going to do if a pregnancy isn't confirmed?   My bet is she'll still be hoping the scan wasn't accurate, up to the due date and a few days afterwards, regardless??   I say again, why not wait it out, and hope for a litter (which will be obvious by around 7 weeks - movement)?   It's only 9 weeks from mating to delivery after all - again unless it's vital to know so a gravid spay can be done, if pregnant and not planned?

>What is she going to do if a pregnancy isn't confirmed?

Feel free to book a holiday away? Not have to book time off work? Be able to enter shows? All valid reasons where knowing whether or not a bitch is pregnant can be useful.

Some stud contracts state that you have to have a scan and if positive then payment is required.

Suejaw, as did my stud contract.

I had to have the pregnancy confirmed or not by 35 days in order to pay the balance of the stud fee. If not confirmed in whelp, balance not due.

Some stud contracts state that you have to have a scan and if positive then payment is required.

Really?   If my stud dog was a novice (unproven - except all my males at public stud were proven, by me, first) I'ddelay taking a payment until the litter is ON THE GROUND. Or, as the people I allowed to use my stud dogs were most often friends, often I'd wait until they started selling some of the puppies.  Most paid me up front!!  

My Stud Contract included a clause stating that a free repeat mating would be given in the event of under 2 puppies arriving.  In other words below 2 puppies didn't constitute a litter.   Again a scan only suggests a pregnancy AT THE TIME OF THE SCAN.   I always took a fee up front  if the dog was a proven sire.   And if there were no puppies, as above, would give a free repeat mating if the b itch owner so wanted.

Isn't it a tad 'off' for the owner of a stud to insist a bitch owner gets a scan (and pays for it?).   If I went to an outside stud, I'd always pay up front because I believe you pay for the service.

I'd also bet that even with a neg. scan, the bitch owner would still wait until the due date came and went, re planning a holiday, showing, time of work etc....?

>I'd also bet that even with a neg. scan, the bitch owner would still wait until the due date came and went, re planning a holiday, showing, time of work etc....?

Nope. Why would I book my entire year's annual leave for no purpose? Why would I not enter the bitch for shows?

Nope. Why would I book my entire year's annual leave for no purpose? Why would I not enter the bitch for shows?

My point, again and finally, is that scans are not always accurate, and, if it's worth repeating, again a scan only confirms a pregnancy at the time of the scan........... bummer if you haven't booked time off and she DOES have puppies after none were seen in the scan - ditto for showing (making an entry and having to withdraw), much as mine were usually retired by the time they started a career in the whelping box.  I did have one I took back in the ring (Crufts) one more time after a litter (and picked up another RBCC) before she was retired.  Plus I wasn't working so I suppose this is all just 'horses for courses' in terms of whether to bother with scanning or wait!?

>mine were usually retired by the time they started a career in the whelping box.

Now in my breed most bitches have to fit their maternal duties in between their show carreeers.

Most of my breed do not gain their titles until between 3 - 5 years of age.

My middle champion bitch did most of her winning once she was in Veterans and only attending a few shows a year.

We do actively show the girls until at least 10 but often until around 12.

In fact time out for litters means they loose basically a year in the ring.

My youngest champion bitch has had two litters and has now missed twice for a third, which has seriously disrupted her show career.  I am now wondering whether to call it quits, or to try one more time as she was 6 in July, and her next seasons won't be until next February and Septemberish.

My point, again and finally, is that scans are not always accurate, and, if it's worth repeating, again a scan only confirms a pregnancy at the time of the scan........... bummer if you haven't booked time off and she DOES have puppies after none were seen in the scan - ditto for showing (making an entry and having to withdraw), much as mine were usually retired by the time they started a career in the whelping box

So how many personal experiences, with your own dogs, have you had of scans that weren't accurate?

I assume your breed must have a very short time of looking good (sounds like a problem to breed out to me if they age that fast) -BOTH my breeds will often be shown until around 12 years of age, assuming they still enjoy it. I have had a litter born this year -the mother of that has won one CC and one RCC since having had her litter! So pups will most definitely be fitted in around shows and my main breed only has a total of 9 ticket shows a year, 7 of which take place between May and August! So to not enter during those months means you miss virtually an entire year. Quite apart from shows, with buyers usually having waited one or even two years for my pups, it matters a LOT to be able to tell them whether the bitch is pregnant or not.

I had a litter in February. Ultimately I have decided the puppy I kept was not good enough to show and breed from and has gone to a pet home. (nothing like Mum or Dad who is a Champion)
I will hopefully have another litter from her but she is now back in the ring and looking better than she did before her litter IMO.
She will be 4 in APril. I have had a bitch that came off a litter really heavy in body and never looked the same again so I can understand what you are saying a little bit. 
I suppose at the end of the day it depends on the breed/bitch.

I assume your breed must have a very short time of looking good (sounds like a problem to breed out to me if they age that fast)

I'm really getting tired of all this, but just to say to suggest that is plain ridiculous.   Of course we could continue to show our breed, until they drop if felt necessary.   Fact is I have shown the occasional Veteran, but have usually moved on to the next generation rather than feel the need to continue for that long - what's the point!!!   I'm not a showing fool and first and foremost my hounds are my pets.

As for how many personal experiences I have with my own dogs re scanning.  None, BECAUSE I DON'T BOTHER WITH SCANNING.   Okay?

Brainless, I would just say that SOME Basset bitches can lose their figure after nursing a big litter particularly.   But many went back into the ring of course - it's just I tended to do the showing I felt I wanted to with a bitch, and THEN retire her when she was bred.   Moving on to the next generations, or with the males I was showing.   Again, for me, showing was just an 'incidental' really and not the be all and end all some people find this. 

I'm sure there are others who do the same?

>As for how many personal experiences I have with my own dogs re scanning.  None, BECAUSE I DON'T BOTHER WITH SCANNING.   Okay?

SO you have NO EXPERIENCE with scanning yet at every opportunity you criticise people who do choose to scan. I really dont see why you have to keep going on about it. there are plenty of people who many good reasons for wanting to know if a bitch is pregnant as soon as they can. People understand that things can change after a scan and accept that. Things can change after a bitch starts showing. You are only guarenteed a litter once the pups have been born. And even then they could all die. We get that you dont see the need but for heavens sake if people choose to scan that is their right so leave them alone. Thank You!

OMG you breeders & show people get very upset about things.

Sheep, cattle, horses etc are routinely scanned & there isn't a huge problem with it. I cannot see why anyone would be so aggressive over people choosing whether or not they scan their bitches. If you don't approve say so & then shut up, no point in going on & on & on especially if you have chosen never to scan. Why would anyone ask for an opinion from some one who has no experience of the subject, would you ask a hairdresser about a problem with your car ??

I see someone has brought up infections that bitches might have before being mated & being swabbed before being bred from, one response was to mention AI, whilst it is practical for cattle & horses in some cases, it isn't 100% used. After all a bitch is a pet(or should be)first & so is a dog & if they are to be bred from surely it is more acceptable to let nature take charge. To use AI to a "valuable" stud from possible infection & to query swabbing bitches is not acceptable in my eyes.

I'm closing this thread now as it seems impossible for some people to agree to disagree. Scanning isn't usually a contentious issue on this board so not sure why this has turned into an argumentative thread but we'll leave it there for now