Did anyone watch the final of the Agility International Invitation competition on More4 yesterday ?  A dog called Bonnie of Lealands was given second place with a time of 37.12 seconds for a supposedly clear round. But the dog should have had a 5 point penalty for knocking a brick out of the wall - something which, amazingly, no-one seemed to notice.  I thought Clare Balding might have referred to it later in the programme and shown the revised result but there was no mention at all.  Can't believe I was the only one to notice !

i saw it as well but i know you get points for not making contacts and knocking poles down but do not know about knocking bricks down i know in show jumping you would

I haven't watched that but perhaps the judge didn't see it? 

> i saw it as well but i know you get points for not making contacts and knocking poles down but do not know about knocking bricks down i know in show jumping you would

yes you should be faulted for knocking a brick down if it falls off completely. But only if the judge sees it happen.

Judges are human and so mistakes get made sometimes in your favour sometimes not.

There would not be a revised result as video judging is not used in agility. The judge on the ground's decision is final.

Judges are human and so mistakes get made sometimes in your favour sometimes not.

Maybe, but I would have thought it was a pretty basic observation for an experienced judge - and someone, presumably one of the officials, must have picked up the 'brick' and replaced it for the next competitor.  I wonder why he/she didn't mention it to the judge......

Oh would you tell the judge that they had made a mistake!!!  Not me!  Once the decision is made then that is final - just like the referee in football - he doesn't turn round and say - oh sorry perhaps that was wrong it should have been off side when he didn't actually spot it!  At least they have the help of 2 extra people to help - only one person in the ring in agility!

Yes, if I'd been the one to pick up the brick I would certainly have pointed out the error to the judge.  It's not quite the same as a football match inasmuch as the evidence (the brick) was right there for anyone to see !
The result just makes a mockery of the whole event in my opinion.

I didn´t see it.  Who was the judge?

Its not the done thing to tell the judge, and nothing would be done about it anyway. Its just how it the cookie crumbles sometimes.

I saw the brick fall too. In this day and age, surely video evidence should be used? In one of the flyball semis or finals they replayed a match, but a video replay showed which team had won, which the judge would not have known about.

Judges are human and sometimes miss a fault - and if the judge misses it he can't mark it as a fault and shouldn't give faults on the say so of the ring party -the fault has to be seen by the judge. I know someone who won a competition with a pole down that wasn't spotted by the judge as it bounced and wobbled before finally falling and the dog was two jumps away by that time so the judge was looking at where the dog was at that time. It's one of those things that sometimes  happens along with sometimes being given a fault on a contact when you have seen your dog has got the contact although very marginally. Part and parcel of competing - sometimes it works in your favour and sometimes it doesn't.

I definitely would have pointed it out to the judge - not a matter of someone's opinion, as you say, as the evidence was lying on the ground!! I would have been mortified, as the winning handler, that I hadn't actually deserved the win.

I didn't see the brick fall. Was it a top brick or a lower brick that got knocked out? If it was a lower brick there maybe no faults. I think this is the way it is in Showjumping anyway, but I might be wrong.

> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">I definitely would have pointed it out to the judge - not a matter of someone's opinion, as you say, as the evidence was lying on the ground!!

But the fault has to be seen by the judge - if he didn't see the brick fall he can't guarantee that the dog knocked it off. In outdoor rings the wind will sometimes blow poles off and it's not unheard of for the wind to knock the wings over too -am sure there wasn't a stiff breeze blowing in the main arena but nevertheless if the judge missed the brick falling it's unfortunate but just a mistake that sometimes happens.

>Was it a top brick or a lower brick that got knocked out?

It was a white brick from the top.