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By Pedlee
Date 21.02.13 11:42 UTC

Do you regularly have a vet check your pups before they go to their new homes? If so do you visit the vet or have the vet come to you?

No, we do not have a breed with congenital issues that a breeder would not notice. I am certainly capable of knowing if my pups are in good health.
Also with pups rarely leaving within a few days of each other it would seem somewhat pointless. The pups from my current litter are leaving over a 2 1/2 week period and one being exported (so of course will have a health certificate fro export) is not going for another 10 days after that.

As I vaccinate before rehoming my pups they get 2 thorough check ups at the vets and the booklet for each filled in accordingly. I then know a day or 2 before leaving they were fit and well and have the paperwork for the new owners.
By tooolz
Date 21.02.13 12:24 UTC
Edited 21.02.13 12:27 UTC
Same as Rhodach.
The vacc certificate includes a declaration that the vet found the puppy fit, they wouldn't vaccinate otherwise.
My vet checks patella, heart, ears, eyes, ?hernia skin/coat, glands and mouths. She also checks for male entirety.
To add: all this is done in my home - as are all my vet appointments. All my dogs get to jump all over her and are pretty much being 'examined' every time she is here.
Even my Cardiologist comes to my home to certify all my tribe.
My pups have always gone to the vets prior to leaving for their new homes for a 10 point health check, they go the day before they leave. I know my vet probably rubs his hands together as I've never had any health problems but I like to do it as extra back up and also to cover myself. :-)
By Cani1
Date 21.02.13 14:50 UTC

I have mine checked at the vets at 2 and 8 weeks . I take the bitch in for a check up too . It gives me peace of mind as sometimes mine can have a murmur at two weeks and like to know it has cleared by eight when they are nearly ready for their new homes.
By Esme
Date 21.02.13 19:16 UTC
> Do you regularly have a vet check your pups before they go to their new homes? If so do you visit the vet or have the vet come to you?
Yes, vet check for both breeds. Our vets check for the same things as Tooolz mentioned, but don't offer a certificate. I have never asked for one though. I find them useful as I don't think I would know if there was a heart murmur for instance. Or even if the patellas were a bit loose. Obviously some things are easy to spot - hernias, entirety for instance.
With the large breed which has bigger litters, the vet comes out to us. Otherwise we'd be clogging up their surgery for half the morning! But I've taken my two Toy litters along to them as they are much smaller numbers of puppies. As they don't leave us until they're 12 weeks old we have both their vaccinations done, plus microchips, all done at the surgery.
By Nova
Date 21.02.13 19:56 UTC

Not replying to anyone in particular but I am not sure about taking pups to the vet, on-mass, so to speak. They will be at perhaps their most vulnerable at 8 weeks and the vets must be full of bugs that the pups will not have come across so will not have any immunity.
I know some think early immunisation is the way to go but I am not sure about that either, to have the pup fully immunised by 8 weeks sound next to impossible to me so why risk a vet visit with a whole litter. When in the new home the owner will be able to walk straight in with pup in arms and after a check up and first jab the pup can be carried out again, surely that is better and far less of a risk.
After all the breeder will know if the pups are in good order and fit to go to their new homes and are in fact probably better placed to know than most vets.
I had a litter vet checked a couple of years ago. Vet came out to my vehicle ... it was a lovely, warm summer's day. Gave a thorough check over ... for FREE :-D
Didn't bother with the following litter. The previous litter got an unnoffical check as one of the pup owners was a vet ... he wanted to check his own pup, so asked him to check over the other too. He was very happy to do so! I haven't yet decided whether I'd bother again ...

Our last litter was checked just before leaving for their new homes. They were being microchipped & I made a deal with him for doing both. A friend drove them in her boot with a lift up rear windscreen. She waited outside with the car whilst I and a vet nurse ferried in the pups two at a time. Another vet nurse would be waiting with the microchipping paperwork for me to identify which pup was next (by their "colour", ie blue boy, red girl etc).
Could be problematic I suppose if all pups were identical, but I knew each puppy individually which was a help :)
My contract stated that if any problem were identified within a certain time frame then their vet would be able to speak directly to my own vet (agreed with him) as he had given each pup a clean bill of health only a day or so before going to their new home. Didn't have any problems, but liked the thought of having the backup of my vet if there was.

I micro-chip my pups the day before going to the vet for their final check up, my vet then gives each puppy a written health certificate, quoting their micro-chip number, saying what had been checked and if there are any problems - thankfully nothing so far has had to be noted.
I also give my vet permission to speak to the new owners vet should they find anything different.
By Esme
Date 22.02.13 10:04 UTC
> to have the pup fully immunised by 8 weeks sound next to impossible to me so why risk a vet visit with a whole litter. When in the new home the owner will be able to walk straight in with pup in arms and after a check up and first jab the pup can be carried out again, surely that is better and far less of a risk.
Yes, I agree. But with Toys that don't leave us until 12 weeks I think it's unreasonable to expect the new owners to be starting vaccination at that stage so we do them here before they leave us. And they're not running loose in the surgery - they are small and light and can be carried in en masse in their crate, which is not put on the floor.
But the large breed are a different matter. So I don't think blanket rules should apply, like many things really.
So I don't think blanket rules should apply, like many things really. Indeed. Hence my large breed pups do not go to the vet, but my toy breed will go twice as they are not sold until at least 2 weeks after their send vaccination at 10 weeks. We pop them in a cat carrier and keep it on our laps. We also take the entire toy litter to training class at least once, just to meet people and watch dogs.
By Esme
Date 22.02.13 13:56 UTC
> We also take the entire toy litter to training class at least once, just to meet people and watch dogs.
Yes! Same here. We do our best that's for sure.
By rabid
Date 22.02.13 14:39 UTC
I love it you guys take your litters to training class.
iv took a litter of 9 large breed to the vets for jabs :( never again it was so hard to do and so stressful but 5 toy breed il be doing both jabs and micro chipping before they go i think im think hard about it
By LJS
Date 22.02.13 22:47 UTC

Lol ok when you have small breed but I can imagine a melt down moment if you took an average size litter of Labs to a training class !
By Esme
Date 23.02.13 09:57 UTC
> Lol ok when you have small breed but I can imagine a melt down moment if you took an average size litter of Labs to a training class !
:-) quite a thought! But I'm guessing your Labs will have left you around 8 weeks, as do our large breed. It's the Toys that are still with us until 12 weeks that need the experience. Horses for courses!
iv took a litter of 9 large breed to the vets for jabs never again it was so hard to do and so stressful
No wonder you were stressed!! :-D That certainly would be hard work.
I never make hard work of it like that. My pups go to the vets the day before they are homed for their check/microchip, as they are all homed on different days I usually take a couple at a time and leave a family member to watch the rest of the litter, I'll pop back over a few days so much easier and no stress involved. :-)
Learnt from that LOL will be so much easier this time 5 toy in a small carry bed :) x

Yes, I always get my Vet to check them over. Usually when I am taking the one I am keeping and so having vaccs done, I take the others and have them all checked. I always feel that (especially) if one pup is going any distance then hopefully their own Vet won't find any reason why they would need to undertake the journey back to me.
> I love it you guys take your litters to training class.
I have always taken any pups staying longer to class, basically anything I would be doing if they were staying for good.

Just want to say that "vet checked" seems to be a get-out clause used by BYBs these days. As far as they are concerned, a "vet check" before the puppies leave seems to exonerate them of any further responsibility.
There is a breeder on the FB group near me selling American Bulldog crosses, and one is almost full-white. I carefully suggested that being high-white might mean it could be deaf, but I was told firmly that a previous litter also had white puppies and they are "fine".... plus all the pups will be "vet checked".
Last I knew, the only way to check for deafness is by BAER so this lady is not only very lucky with her litters, but must have a local vet with extra sensory perception.
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