I've not posted in a while but I'm after some advice please, apologies if I'm on the wrong board. 

My friend has bought a pup which was sold as KC registered.  He is now 6 months old and still has no papers.  She has been chasing the breeder for months (not my breed for anyone who knows me, but they are very well known in their breed), yesterday upon advice of KC she sent a formal complaint to him by recorded delivery stating she would involve a solicitor if she didn't have a satisfactory outcome to her request.  When he got this he went ballistic, called her up and made her cry.  He said he'd involve a solicitor because she deceived him (she said the pup was pet not show?!), that she'd been slagging him off in the breed (she doesn't know anyone in the breed!), and that he now has 12 months to get the docs to her. 

She's now scared to proceed, but I'm absolutely livid.  Any suggestions?

What is the breeders reason for not having the registration papers for your friend yet.

It's neither here not there if she wishes to show, she wants the papers she expected to have as that is what she bought a puppy with KC registration.

If she has proof of the pup being advertised as KC reg trading standards may well write on her behalf.

He has no right to bully her.

A breeder does have 12 months in which to register a litter at the normal price, thereafter to register an individual dog is much more expensive.

There really is no reason in the majority of cases for the KC reg papers not to be available on collection.

Occasionally certain names are refused, or there may be issues with getting all of a foreign sires documentation in a timely fashion, but otherwise the KC now seem to have a quick turn around, certainly within two weeks.

I can see why you would be furious!!

Sounds like he is trying to scare her not to proceed and just leave it...
Surely even a pet that is sold registered should be registered and the owner get the papers for the puppy.

Which brings a question why have the puppies not been registered?
Why has he not just registered them or even the one puppy when being chased for papers?
Maybe contact KC with the current details as surely KC will need to know if breeder registering with them is acting in this manner?
Contact breed club for advice?
He is obviously not going to play nice and must have something to hide so why should your friend just leave it?
She paid for registered puppy so should have the papers for the puppy.

Do we know if the rest of the litter have been registered? With a rough dob someone must have breed record supplements if the KC can't confirm if a litter was registered. Does your friend know sure and dam? Also does breeder have a website and how did they find put about this litter, we're they advertised and if so where as certain places will still have back records!!

Sounds to me like this could be one of those breeders trying to do things on the cheap who does not KC register their pups if they think no-one will show them, so probably is well peed off that he will now have to pay to register the litter as others have probably not complained and he has got away with the deception.

KC registration is nothing to do with showing or working your dog that is just a by product, it is to show that the pup you are buying is in fact a pedigree and has a recorded ancestry.

He is not allowed to advertise as KC registered if he is not going to KC register them, it is disgusting. I've always had my papers within a week as I know others in my breed have,  the turn over is so fast today.

He should just say unregistered pedigrees and leave it to people to decide if they want to take the risk on what they are getting. Generally people with KC dogs don't register pups because the bitch is too young, too old, too closely mated, too many litters or both or one parent were never registered to start with...... or stolen and the KC will of course not register the litter possibly the reason why these pups came with no papers.

Do not allow this man to now say he will charge her to have them registered either or bully her, 6 months!!! it's disgusting! Continue with the solicitor your friend must not be bullied the KC give 12 months for normal price registration, not for breeders to mess about with their puppy owners but for legitimate reasons, it is totally disgusting that the papers were not there on collection and I personally would nevercollect any pup without the papers there with the pup, too many con artists around today. The KC will not be happy that 6 months on she has no papers either, so keep the KC informed about what is going on and how she is being treated.

Your friend does not need to communicate with this breeder any more, do it through trading standards and a solicitor, people generally get angry when they are covering something up and have no way out. I hope the breed also comes from health checked parentage too, so important to find a good and reputable breeder.

Good luck to your friend and tell her that reputable breeders do not behave like this, so sorry she has had this experience.

His excuse for not registering was 'logistical nightmare'?!  Nothing more, nothing less!

To be fair on her she knew at the time she shouldn't take a pup without papers but she had just lost her youngster in very tragic circumstances and wasn't really thinking with her head.

I feel terrible because I know of the breeder and actually recommended him!  He's reputable and respected within the breed.  She's absolutely distraught now so I've offered to take it on.  I called the KC this morning and they have confirmed papers have finally been received (only yesterday!) and docs should be sent out within the week.  If she has any further problems getting the docs off him we have to report to Trading Standards.  Sitting on the committee of my own breed has made me wonder whether 'I' (my friend has no fight left) should place a formal complaint with the breed club, yesterdays phone call was nothing short of bullying and harassment! :(

Did the KC say if the pups have been registered and he hasn't parted with the papers or has he not even started the registration process. Report any intimidation to the KC and breed clubs, tell her not to walk away as that is what he is hoping for, she expected papers so she should get papers, if she has decided to show doesn't enter into it, he can't ban her from doing so because she had no desire to do so when the pup was purchased, no UK KC endorsement covers showing as it does in other countries.

I have heard of breeders registering litters and keeping back the paperwork and applying it to a litter that would not have met the criteria for KC registration[sire is usually the same but the dam may be too old/young,not had the results required on health tests, too many litters or c/sections] for this to work the buyers of the first litter haven't got to be bothered about getting papers, it only takes one or two to start looking for their papers a few months down the line to mess up the plans as those papers have already left with another litter the owners of which are clueless to the deception.

I hope things work out and the breeder comes to their senses before long and does the right thing.

Well done susieq for taking the 'fight' to him. This is disgraceful behaviour for a breeder and to then bully your friend is scandalous. No wonder that we breeders sometimes get bad press as usually only the bad stories make the headlines. Personally now that you have taken up the fight I would most definitely involve Trading Standards if the papers aren't forthcoming and yes, i would also involve the breed club as this 'gentleman' should never have behaved in this manner. The fact that he has only just registered the litter once your friend complained in my opinion means that he had no intention of doing so unless he was challenged. He was quite happy to take your friends money though wasn't he! I wonder how many times he has done this and got away with it. As for the excuse of a logistical nightmare, what exactly is so hard about registering a litter? Would like to hear the outcome.

My thoughts exactly Alisongold . Well said !