Hi all,

I've asked this before, and unless I got it wrong, I believe you cannot withdraw from breed classes if you want your wins to 'count'?  Eg if my dog won a class, but was entered in another breed class, I couldn't withdraw from the second one to ensure I was in the challenge, could I?

I keep getting told by 'know alls' that you can definitely just withdraw.  Without wanting to sound too bitchy, I don't know if they've ever actually been in the position to test this... but it seems a lot of people think you can.  Does anyone get away with it?  I hope not! 

This is a bit of a ranty, pointless topic, but I just get annoyed when people tell me incorrect information with 'authority'. 

If you have entered two breed classes and win the first you can't withdraw to remain unbeaten. But you can withdraw because you or your dog are unwell or lame but you can't then take any further part in the show.

So, you can not withdraw from a breed class and then enter any other class or contest at that show.

But, you can win a best puppy or best of breed and then withdraw from a variety class or stakes class in order to remain unbeaten

Thanks, that's what I thought.  These people who have tried to tell me otherwise have been talking about withdrawing to remain unbeaten.  Plonkers :-D

> if my dog won a class, but was entered in another breed class, I couldn't withdraw from the second one to ensure I was in the challenge

Correct.  It doesn't matter anyway - if you got a first in Puppy but another dog beat you in Junior then that simply shows what would have happened in the Challenge for BOB.  However you'd still be able to challenge for Best Puppy as long as the J dog wasn't a puppy...  Maybe that's what they meant?

> I just get annoyed when people tell me incorrect information with 'authority'

Oh me too - and on any topic     ... although one of my favourite 'canine' ones: when someone asked what breed my dog is - then told me I'm wrong.  Priceless!

You can only withdraw from variety classes to remain unbeaten and challenge, if you've entered more than one breed class then you have to go into that class.  As it's the same judging anyway why would they think it's worth withdrawing because if they don't put you up in the second class then (although it can't happen) you wouldn't really get anywhere in the challenge.

The KC rules are many and not always easy to understand and although published they are not the sort of thing you can read and remember so it does take a while to understand and even longer to be sure you are right.

Same as all previous postees have said who many have been showing a good deal of years(in my case over 30)....maybe these 'know it alls' were trying to get you into trouble because you are competition??

I do realise that the KC rules and regs aren't exactly easy reading, but to offer advice (when it has definitely not been asked for - as I knew the rule already!) suggests that you have to be pretty confident in what you're saying.  I would never, ever offer advice unless I really did know what I was talking about (hence I seldom offer advice :-D :-D).  I don't think in any case it was someone trying to get me in trouble, it's always been a different breed owner.  It's just a shame because newbies (myself included) could quite easily take it as gospel.... lucky I have access to CD isn't it!!!

I agree there are always those who will lend authority to what they say even when they are not sure and others (like me) who think they know but can make mistakes. However if in doubt about anything ask the show secretary, they will have the book to look it up in added to the fact you can not be blamed if you are given the wrong advice by the show secretary although I will admit even the show sec can get it wrong at times and I am sure I have, but you accept the buck stops with the sec and own up to any repercussions.