Labradoodle stud advertised £500 to £800 stud fee.  Vet says he doesn't need any health tests as you can tell by looking at him there's nothing wrong grrrrrr.

I want that vet -imagine never having to pay for x-rays again (for anything!) as he has such good eyesight!

The sad thing is there are folk out there that are stupid enough to believe such twaddle

cough splutter !!

*shakes head and walks away*.........

and yes, I too would love that vet ;-)

Really is amazing what people will believe. An acquaintance's parents acquired a Goldendoodle puppy a few years back for $3000 (about £1900). They were told that he was so expensive because the sire was a "rare giant white Standard Poodle," and puppies were guaranteed healthy because both parents were up to date on vaccines and had no history of major illnesses, yet the buyers couldn't meet the dam of the litter because the breeder claimed she was ill at the time. The dog has been nothing but vet bills ever since.

Yes was recently told about a whole litter of Labradoodles with such severe HD that I don't think one lived until it was 12 months. So sad, but people believe the hype.

There are a fair number being tested for HD and that is possible the one thing you can check before you buy a puppy after all nothing else is for certain not coat, not size, not temperament so you might as well have the parents health tested and hip scored.

The Irish Guide Dogs for the Blind organisation breed goldendoodles.... I presume they test, well I hope so, but in some ways I wonder are they perpetuating a fad here when they could simply use pedigree dogs and not keep the fad fashion going.

Think it was the guide dog people who started the labradoodle but think they have now stopped as you can't tell what you are going to get and it was only done to produce a non shedding coat, in the mistaken belief that it is shed hair that causes allergies but that is now known not to be the most likely cause of respiratory problems.

They haven't stopped here as far as I am aware :-/

Vet says he doesn't need any health tests as you can tell by looking at him there's nothing wrong grrrrrr.

Do I laugh or cry?  I guess I can laugh at the statement as it is so ridiculous, but cry at the thought of how anyone could believe that........ and as stupid as it sounds many will. **gulp!**

Gosh, if only we had doctors like that too, they could just look at us and know.......... Wow!

>The Irish Guide Dogs for the Blind organisation breed goldendoodles.... I presume they test, well I hope so, but in some ways I wonder are they perpetuating a fad here when they could simply use pedigree dogs and not keep the fad fashion going.

Like the GDBA over here they're breeding dogs for a working purpose, and need to breed ones which are most likely to succeed in their training. Sometimes the pure breeds are little too big, or too small, but have the right temperament, and they often find that a first cross is better. However all the breeding aninals are fully health tested, and they only breed first crosses, not from the crosses themselves. And of course they never sell them!

Think it was the guide dog people who started the labradoodle but think they have now stopped as you can't tell what you are going to get and it was only done to produce a non shedding coat

There was an extremely interesting article recently in either DW or the KC Gazette, can't remember which now, about the man who first bred Labradoodles and coined the phrase in Australia. He said that he'd been approached to produce a non shedding guide dog for an allergic person, and when he tried using Standard Poodles he had no success in training as it seemed pure Poodles did not have the qualities they needed in guide dogs, so eventually he came upon the idea of crossing with a Labrador. His first problem was  that no puppy walker would take on a crossbreed! That's when he hit upon the idea of calling them Labradoodles, as they were desperate to get them into the training programme and puppy walkers were needed urgently. With the name he got the people he needed. There then only turned out to be one in the litter that the person wasn't allergic to, and in the next litter there was a small number, 2 or 3, and yes in the end the experiment was given up but of course he bitterly regrets ever inventing the word. And said it's ludicrous how people claim ALL pups are non shedding and suitable for allergic people as the majority are not!

"That's when he hit upon the idea of calling them Labradoodles"

And now we have a whole array of ridiculous named cross breeds as a direct consequence of that. I feel sorry for the guy, it must be awful to have that on your conscience. You only have to search the puppy sites for a number of pure breeds to find such listings containing more litters crossed with those breeds than actual pure bred KC reg litters. :-(

I would hope he does not have it on his conscience. :)
His motives were perfectly sound and he could not possibly have forseen what less scrupulous people would do in the future.

goldmali This article was in Dog World 

To Stooge - Well, I suppose I was just imagining how I would feel - and in spite of having honourable intentions, I would still feel responsible, albeit inadvertently. Clearly so does he, since he has come out and said he regrets it all.....

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions!"

Makes trying to do the right thing a bit more complicated .............

Just seen a litter advertised on a puppy site; pups are "pooland x pomchi" apparently..... how utterly ridiculous is it all becoming?!
They want £400 for them too LOL.

Can't believe an ad I came across for 'cockapoos' They are exceptional rare colours (didn't know black and white & black was rare!! and this is the only colours they state) These pups are from top level Show Championship winning hereditary, and therefore boast the prettiest of looks typical to what the breed should be.  Beautiful heads, muzzles, correct conformation, which is so disappointingly becoming eroded from the general population.

This is the bit that got me..... Pups are of the highest calibre and will also be of interest to breeders and the showing fraternity, but I am afraid it is very important to me that he is loved by a pet home only.

Honestly (shakes head) the things these people say and people who don't know better will think they have a show quality puppy!! Oh and just to add a little bit more deception their user name is Crufts quality!

And like normal no mention of health tests :(

"Pups are of the highest calibre and will also be of interest to breeders and the showing fraternity, but I am afraid it is very important to me that he is loved by a pet home only."

Unbelievable !!! Sheer deception imo.

> These pups are from top level Show Championship winning hereditary, and therefore boast the prettiest of looks typical to what the breed should be.

Are you sure it's not one of those scam adverts where they use other peoples' text and photos? I would be more than tempted to ask what the 'breed' should look like!
Otherwise, it would be a one-way trip to Trading Standards.

ok I give up whats a pooland ?? Pom x chi I know I have a cross breed of the same cross. Anyway thats a mongrel isnt it ?
As for prices, just to play devils advocate, if the individual breed costs say £1000 suddenly for the the man in the street who just wants adog £400 could be appealing and with in his budget.
I am for the pupose of this point ignoring all the other aspects ie health, temprerment
Now I shall duck :)

Pooland? could it be poodle x lakeland, this means 4 different breeds in each pup which may resemble its parents or any of the fore mentioned breeds.

As to the one about muzzles etc. my dachsie pups heads look like cockers or any number of other breeds till the muzzle starts to grow after 8 weeks old so how can they make these claims in a young pup who has so much growing to do.

I am sure the KC would be very interested in the comment about breeders and show folk being very interested in these pups as that is an out and out lie to make buyers think they are getting something extra special instead of a mongrel.

Yes, poodle X lakeland. I am surprised they didn't try to come up with a daft name incorporating all 4 breeds!

I was eye testing one of mine and there was a lady in eye testing her 5 year old bitch who looked like a collie cross, mostly black slimmer than a border collie with a longer nose and rather longer feathered ears, and collie height.

I was curious and it seemed this was to be her first litter (too old by my thinking).  She had a Border Collie sire and her Mum was A Poodle cross Tibetan (she said spaniel, but I think she meant Tibetan Terrier). 

She was going to be mated to a Poodle.  Now I have seen Tibetan Terrier cross Collies before, and they seem to be very popular obedience dogs.  You could get anything from this three way cross back crossed to poodle.  At least she was health testing.

I was surprised though at the woman mating the bitch for the first time so late as she was obviously a farmer as had been busy lambing.

I suppose as she was a farmer she was probably planning the litter with the view to producing something that would be a good working dog? I doubt she would be charging any silly prices for such a litter either, nor giving them a silly name. As you say, at least she was health testing. I would say 5 was too old for a first litter, but again at least she hadn't been over bred!

Edited to say: But a Border Collie would do the job perfectly well ;-)

ive just seen staffadoodles, yes staff cross poodle £400 the cheek of it,
please dont tell me people will by these

"Now I have seen Tibetan Terrier cross Collies before, and they seem to be very popular obedience dogs." Not in this country, to my knowledge (and I've been doing it 30 years lol).

Well I have seen a couple this way, though at companion show Obedience, but I be;ieve they competed at higher levels than that.

Is the dog that does the childrens TV program and the  Bakers adverts not one?

None in Open/Championship levels that I know of (they're dominated by collies) and crossbreeds that appear in the commercials could be any combination of breeds so impossible to say unless the owners could tell you categorically who the parents were.