Just seen an ad for "Puggles" advertsing them as parents both being ***** Gundogs.  Now I feel it unlikely that any pug or beagle would pass any sort of gundog test, so looked at this site, and it's nothing to do with gundogs, it's a puppy farm (but it says it is a very good one :( )  they claim the usual nonsense  about guaranteeing health etc  and freedom from defects, mainly as they breed form healthy tested quality stock, and don't breed pure breds!  Although they also say that 8" is the height of a pug stud dog!  To cap it all they claim to be the first kennel breeding F2 puggles, and getting mulit colour and parti colour litters.  On the litters page is pic of a little black and white crossbreed, might be a bit staffi, no visible sign of pug, only available due to cancellation, guess how much?  £1500 !!!!!!

How do people fall for it?  Surely the general public are not collectively so stupid?

The RSPCA and other organisations have a lot to answer for :-( they are encouraging this type of thing and it will only end in tears for the poor people taken in by this :-(  Unfortunately yes, people can be this stupid :-(

Staggered at the price .....

Surely the general public are not collectively so stupid?

I get really cross when people are taken for fools like this, but yes, I'm sorry the GP are just not with it, but don't you think it seems that way with so many things today? There is no common sense or knowledge of anything which we seemed to know as children ourselves.

Or perhaps the brain is just filled with technology as that is all we need to know today.

I've just insulted the whole of the human race, sorry! :-) But, things always seem to be learnt after, not before because many of the GP obviously do not know it is important, I don't know who is to blame for that as the human race are not stupid far from it, just don't seem to question anymore.............

Leaving aside the fact that the puppy in the pic. I saw looks nothing at all like a pug, can anyone work out the genetic possibility (or otherwise) of a fawn "puggle" mated to another Fawn "puggle" (both results of fawn pug to Beagle, unkown colour but let's say Tri, although would that give fawn in the Puggle?) and the offspring of this producing a Black and white pup - this pup looks solid black with big white marking on face, chest  and legs.

Off the top of my head, yes it's possible if the original pug/s carried black, or were black.

The white spotting pattern would appear to be recessive, as it has reappeared in the F2 generation.

> Surely the general public are not collectively so stupid?

I do think that sometimes, just sometimes, a family is simply looking for a 'nice puppy' and as long as it appeals to them (be it colour, coat, size, location etc) they don't mind too much about the breed or cross.  I think also that some people genuinely don't realise that much of what their puppy grows into depends on what it is.  Do any of you remember the poster some years back who complained that her beagle never stopped sniffing the ground on a walk, or the other one who moaned that she couldn't let her pet rabbit loose with her terrier?!  

Some buyers get what they deserve, and lack of research really plays a part, but I do wish that that puppy farmers were legislated out of the equation

Ad in my local bakers this morning:

For sale - Springer Spaniel puppies

Black & white or brown & white

Both parents same breed!

Wow - what a novelty . . .

Maybe it is a pedigree dog breeder using puppy farm language to sell a litter! lol

I found this website when showing my SIL what a puggle looked like admittedly they were very cute but nearly fell off my chair at the price! Is there no such thing as being proud to own a pedigree, anymore? Or are they happy in the bragging rights of saying exactly how much this crossbred dog cost? The real thing seems to be less value than its immitation knock off, if it were a handbag Joe public would mock someone for being duped. I certainly still laugh out loud when someone tells me how much they bought there mongrel for.

"Puggles" lol,,, sounds like something from Harry potter ,,

Another "interesting" thing about the site I foudn was the listings of breeds:  Pedigree Dogs  available:  Labradors, Springers, Poodles, Labradoodle, Puggle, Cockapoo.  Then a further bit, Crossbreeds also available.  :)

I have googled Puggle pictures and there are no two alike.

I have seen some that are very much poorly bred Pug and others very much poorly bred Beagle and everything in between, but so many of the adult pictures show canines of awful conformation fro any breed.

To be fair one or two look like Mini bullmastiffs, which I assume is the look hoped for, but if this were an attempt to establish a new breed the vast majority of offspring would prove to be totally unsuitable, and ethically how can anyone try to establish a new breed with such high wastage, as the majority would not meet any standard, so you would be expecting the majority of people to be happy with something no where near what was envisioned.

This is my argument with anyone seeking to establish new breeds with no specific purpose, other than to satisfy a persons vanity, cannot be ethical when we have such a crisis with unwanted pets.

Surely those with a bent for the unusual should be putting their energies into helping promote some of our rarer established breeds so they do not die out and can become stronger with wider gene pools with more interest?  But they won't get rich quick by breeding Glen of Immal's, Dandie dinmonts, Lagotta's, Irish Water Spaniels or even Norwegian Elkhounds, Saarloos (the cross bred huskies, wolf look alikes come to mind here), LOL

In among those pictures are of course REAL PUGGLES which are baby Echidna's and Platapus.