Hi, my friends puppies are 11 days old today and are thriving. I know they should be wormed at 2 wks so should my friend pick up something herself or get something from the vets. If its from the vets will she need to take the mother and all 9 puppies in for a check up or will they just need to know the weight of the puppies?.

Her best bet is to order either panacur or Drontal puppy from the veterinary pharmacies like Hyperdrug etc.

I use Panacur and worm at 3 weeks (as Mum has been wormed through latter third of pregnancy, reducing the transference of worm larvae by up to 98%) I am happy to leave it that bit longer, so pups are started on solids, and I can worm after a meal.

The life cycle of the roundworm is 42 days so worming is designed to ensure all the larval stages are dealt with (so several times before 3 months) and then monthly worming during puppy-hood will do this and also prevent encysting of larvae to a large extent (which is where they come from to infect unborn pups in the first place).

The number of times you worm young puppies depends on the product used, based on what lifestages of the parasite it is effective against.

Go to the vets and take advice about worming regime from them.Many people on this forum use Panacur either in paste or liquid form but there are other options.No real need for mother or pups to be there especially as you say they are thriving.Sorry posted at the same time as Brainless.Buying online is normally a cheaper option and you can often speak to a Pharmacist or Vet using that service at no extra cost.I assumed from your post that you intended going to a vet.

Thank you. So if everything is fine and she does go for panacur, when should the puppies first check up at the vets be?

Personally I feel Drontal to be better for pups - I generally buy it 'online' as it's a lot cheaper than via the vets

Some people now arrange a vet check for puppies prior to homing, but I don't see the point if they show no signs of ill health, as teh new owenrs own vet will need to check tehm anyway.

I think the majority still advise that pups are checked by new owners vet within days of homing and to arrange their vaccinations.

I certainly would not be taking a healthy litter of pups to the Vets, and my pups only visit the vets for their puppy vaccinations or if they need treatment.

I will get my friend to look online for drontal. The comments on vet check ups are interesting as  i would have advised her to see the vet but can see that its not a good idea to take a healthy litter to the vets.

I do not have pups 'vet' checked before they go to new homes unless I have any concerns.

Wouldn't there be the worry that the new owners could bring the puppy back if it was taken ill after they picked it up, even though it was well when it left you?

I use drontal puppy which I buy online. It has a better reaction from puppies than panacur, less diarrhoea. You weigh the puppies and then administer the correct dosage, a syringe comes with the drontal and it comes in a bottle with a syringe size hole in the top so you just draw up the correct amount without any spillage. You worm at 2 weeks, 4 weeks and then 6 weeks. All according to weight. I record all weights weekly and the amount of drontal given and each owner will be given all that information for their information and for them to share with their vets as necessaryl.

New owners should have the right to bring the puppy back for a full refund for the 24 working hours following collection of the pup which gives them a chance to take the pup to their own vets for their own check up. I'd only take the pup back if their was written proof from the vet of a problem. Obviously pups would only be sold if I believed them to be healthy.

I personally do have a vet check the day after they are born, my bitch is checked and the pups so obviously deformaties would be seen. I don't do any other checks before they go but the pups are obviously thriving and eating, drinking and have been wormed appropriately so afaik they are fine.

> I'd only take the pup back if their was written proof from the vet of a problem.

I will take a pup back without written proof.  Otherwise I wouldn't know where the pup would end up!

Anyone who doesn't want a pup for whatever reason, will get rid whatever it takes.  However, I would hope that I had vetted well enough for this not to happen.  But I wouldn't want to say that I would have particular instances where a pup couldn't come back to me.

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>New owners should have the right to bring the puppy back for a full refund for the 24 working hours following collection of the pup

24 hours is pushing it - lots of vets wouldn't be able to fit in a puppy-check appointment in such a narrow space of time - plus it's additional stress for the pup. A check within the first week, with immediate return for a refund if necessary, is much fairer IMO.

Tend to agree with Jeangenie about this-24 hrs seems a bit unreasonable.

> New owners should have the right to bring the puppy back for a full refund for the 24 working hours following collection of the pup which gives them a chance to take the pup to their own vets for their own check up. I'd only take the pup back if their was written proof from the vet of a problem.

I've always said a week and wouldn't quibble whatever reason they gave. 
Better to give them their money back than allow them to consider selling on themselves.

I read '24 working' hours as 3 days, as each day is generally around an 8 hr day if you work full time, or is that just me?

Although I would ALWAYS take a puppy back, regardless of reason or age, I WANT to know where my puppies are

>I do not have pups 'vet' checked before they go to new homes unless I have any concerns.

My pups are micro-chipped, then vet checked a couple of days before they leave, my vet then gives me a written confirmation that the pups are in good health listing everything that has been checked,  they'll only do this once they have been chipped to confirm each pups identity. 

> I read '24 working' hours as 3 days, as each day is generally around an 8 hr day if you work full time, or is that just me?
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Wouldn't you just say 3 days :)
I'd read it as Monday to Friday ie if you collect on a weekend you have until Monday night, but no doubt the poster can clarify.

>Although I would ALWAYS take a puppy back, regardless of reason or age, I WANT to know where my puppies are

I'm sure we all do but I think we are talking about the circumstances when a full refund will be applicable.

Yes I meant one working day as in so that they have one working day to take the pup to the vet for a check up. I'm maybe biased as I have always been able to see my vet the day I need to and not had to wait. Yes, I would always take a pup back however many weeks/months/years later but not for the full asking price. I offered to have one of my Irish Setter pups back one year later when another breeder contacted me as her friend a kennel owner had told her that the pup was taken to kennels by the wife every time the husband went away on business and the breeder had found out my details from the kennel club in order to let me know. I spoke to the husband and said I would be happy to have the pup back anytime and he said I would have it straight back if I gave him the full asking price back. I declined but said my offer was always open. It still makes me sad that they thought so little of my pup that they would hand it straight back after a year. Fortunately every other home was lovely, I still get Christmas cards from them each year and one of my pups was forever in Dogs Monthly as her new owner was their main photographer.

You could always make the appointment before you collect the pup for the next day but even so 24 hours for return could be pushing it if any distance was travelled to collect it.

I give advice to vet check and return within 48 hours. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't take it back at any other time.

I'm not that rigid, I state 'take the pup to your vet in the first few days'.

>Yes I meant one working day as in so that they have one working day to take the pup to the vet for a check up.

In many cases that's neither practical nor advisable. If the pup has had a long journey it needs a couple of days in its new environment before being taken to yet another strange place (the vets); the stress of the journey can lower the immune system and make it more likely that the pup becomes a bit off-colour. Added to that the vet will try to ensure that the pup's first visit isn't sandwiched between a coughing dog and a dog with diarrhoea, so it might be a couple more days before the appointment can be fitted in. If the pup was collected on Saturday it might not get to see the vet before Wednesday!

Far better to say that the pup should be taken for its first check 'in the first few days' with a possible return visit for the first injection.

Well everyone does things differently. All but one buyer so far is close enough to be using the same vets as me, vets who have already seen my pups. Mine have been vet checked already at my expense whereas many buyers don't vet check their pups before they go.

> whereas many buyers don't vet check their pups before they go.

I'm guessing that is a typo and you mean breeders :)
I wouldn't because I would expect a buyer to want their vet to look over the pup even if the breeders already had it done.  I think that is reasonable for the buyer to want to have the time to do that.  After all would you buy a house that only the vendor had had surveyed? :)

Yes lol I meant breeders :-)

eta those house packs can't remember their names but think they have been dropped now included a survey that the seller ordered and included in the pack rather than each buyer doing their own.

> eta those house packs can't remember their names but think they have been dropped now included a survey that the seller ordered and included in the pack rather than each buyer doing their own.

Exactly, no purchaser would ever be happy with that arrangement without just going on to do their own survey.

Personally, I am more than happy not to criticise other breeders, I realise everyone does things differently and I am happy with the way I do things. I will end it there.

Thank you for all your comments, there have been some valid points for my friend to consider when i show her ( i think she may join the forum herself).
I know that whatever she decides will be the best thing for her puppies.