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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Worm in one of my pups poo
- By Cani1 [gb] Date 05.01.12 08:45 UTC
My litter has just turned 7 weeks , I'm worming with panacur 10% they will have their 3rd dose this afternoon.
When I fed this morning they had their poos afterwards as normal whilst I'm cleaning dishes and all were normal apart from one which had what I'm sure was a dead worm in it , the poo was runny too unlike the others , but not diahorrea.
What I'm asking is , Is this normal~? I have never seen worms in my litters' poo I thought the wormer disolved them , Am I wrong ?
And when would you recommend they were next wormed , I have some off to their new homes next week so will advise their new owners. If I hadn't seen this worm today I'd of said when they were 11 to 12 weeks .
- By Trialist Date 05.01.12 08:59 UTC
stop worrying :-O The Panacur has absolutely done its job - killed the worms :)

It doesn't 'dissolve' worms it just kills them and they pass out naturally and whole. You don't need to worm earlier than your next planned worming, in fact you mustn't as over worming just puts the natural gut system out of order. It also wouldn't do any more than it has as IF there are more worms they'll be waiting to come out of wherever they're hiding :-O :-O

I recommend my pups are wormed monthly up to 6 months then onto adult routine of every 3 months. This ties in with my vet recommendations.

I know it's not nice seeing worms but they aint that bad, specially if you understand the amazing life cycle of them. They really are amazing survivors!!

Dead worm though & worming job done :D. Live worms in poo ... now that really isn't nice :-O
- By Brainless [gb] Date 05.01.12 10:21 UTC
If there were adult stage worms in the pups then they will be seen.  the beauty of Panacur is that it also works on larval stages, so often not worms are seen because they have been dealt with before maturity.

Did you worm the bitch through the last three weeks of pregnancy.

I have wormed all my bitches in whelp and have never seen any evidence of worms in any of my dogs, but certainly have seen them when a friend wormed a rescue litter.
- By Alfieshmalfie Date 05.01.12 14:58 UTC
Having wormed my rescue lurcher at 7 weeks when he arrived as a scrawny underweight bag of bones, to see the amount of 'spaghetti' he passed really made me realise just how many worms must get passed from the Mother if she isnt wormed either.
- By Cani1 [gb] Date 05.01.12 16:46 UTC
Thanks everyone , yes she was wormed religiously from day 42 , thats how I couldn't believe I had seen a worm.
Checked all the poos today , even got some splatted on my face ( URGH ) whilst sifting through the papers for it , no sign of anymore. I hope it's been a one off .
The things you go through when raising a litter !
:)
- By JeanSW Date 05.01.12 23:14 UTC
I use exactly the same as you Cani1, and agree with Barbara that I've never actually seen worms.  Like you, my bitches are done in whelp.

I do the 3 day regime at 2 weeks, 5 weeks, 8 weeks and 11 weeks (if still here.)  Do you mean that you are doing yours again at 7 weeks instead of 8?  Just interested, as we all have our reasons etc.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.01.12 00:31 UTC
I do 3 and 7 weeks as most of my pups start to leave here from the weekend after they are 7 weeks, so gives them time to get over the worming. 

I then advise 11 weeks so that it is done on an alternate week to vaccinations whether they are being done at 8 and 10 or 10 and 12 or even 9 and 12.
- By MsTemeraire Date 06.01.12 00:40 UTC

> the beauty of Panacur is that it also works on larval stages, so often not worms are seen because they have been dealt with before maturity.


I've not had the experience of worming pups with Panacur, but I feel I should mention that about a year ago my adult dog had some odd strands in his poo - they looked like short lengths of the tape style dental floss.

I dosed him with Panacur and the next day the very mother of all tapeworms came out... I wasn't able to eat pasta for a long time afterwards.

So much for worming treatments dissolving the worms... maybe they do, but just be prepared in case they don't...!
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.01.12 00:43 UTC
Panacur (nor Puppy Drontal) doesn't work on the main types of tapeworm (rice like segmetns) only roundworms, hook worms etc.
- By Cani1 [gb] Date 06.01.12 08:07 UTC
Yes use the 3 day regime , like Barbara 2 of mine are off this weekend a couple of days short of 8 weeks so have wormed them during the 7th week.
They are so ready for their homes now , the play fighting is getting quite intense at times , I'm constantly peeling teeth from legs heads , ears etc :) .
- By Trialist Date 06.01.12 09:39 UTC
Just adding on the end here that wormers do NOT 'dissolve' worms. They detach them and allow them to pass through which is why you may see a long worm, or if early stages you may see nowt! If the worm is dead (any type) then the wormer IS working :)

On the tapeworm front ... it was a very long time before I could eat tagliatelle or spaghetti after seeing a lamb pass a tapeworm, a good 18" long :-o :-o
- By Cani1 [gb] Date 06.01.12 11:04 UTC
OMG Trialist , I feel so sick , I have been put off tagliatelle for life just thinking about it 18" my God , URGHH !
Well at least we are the sensible ones carrying out strict worming regimes , I have a couple of friends who pride theirselves that their dogs aren't wormed as they don't get worms , they've never seen any you see !
- By Sassinak [gb] Date 06.01.12 11:16 UTC
I have a friend who boasts that his dogs have never had worms so he has never needed to worm them and his vet !! told him that dog fleas are extinct in this country now so there is no need to use flea treatment either - No comment. I have tried to reason with him but I am wasting my time as he has had dogs all his life and knows far more than I do grrr
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.01.12 11:26 UTC

> and his vet !! told him that dog fleas are extinct in this country now


That may be true, it has been the Cat flea that mainly affects both dogs and cats as cat fleas are not host specific.  Many types of fleas are like Rabbit and Hedgehog fleas, you may find some on your dogs if the dog has been in contact with them, but they do not live or breed or even feed off other hosts.

Classic case of misunderstanding what they were told.

Also to some extent it is true that most adult dogs that have been properly wormed as puppies and then do not eat faeces will not often have worms as the Canine roundworm is linked to the canine reproductive cycle and is mainly found in pregnant and lactating bitches and their puppies.

My own vet says for adult non reproductive dogs the four times a year worming is overkill, but eh is a Kiwi.  I know most breeders in the USA do not do routine worming of puppies but submit fecal samples to ascertain if it is needed, but then many dogs are on regular monthly heart worm preventative which also kills other parasites, such as worms and fleas.

When I routinely worm my girls wqith Panacur I try to time it for aroudn a month after soemoen has been in season. 

When I am planning to breed I worm the bitch and everyone else when she comes in season.  Mum to be is done in whelp, then puppies at the relevant time, All the adults are then wormed again when puppies leave.
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