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Topic Dog Boards / General / Unbelievable but true
- By pat [gb] Date 02.01.12 23:07 UTC
please see link
http://dogpolitics.co.uk/?p=46
Then click on 'previous' top right hand corner of screen to see more 'luxury' made from misery.
- By pat [gb] Date 03.01.12 10:26 UTC Edited 03.01.12 10:29 UTC
You should not be missing this post and a link to more background information

http://batterydogfarmingdealerspetshops.blogspot.com/2011/06/cefn-cloch-ace-kennels.html
- By tooolz Date 03.01.12 10:39 UTC
Perhaps Jemima Harrison would like a couple of photos of the human accomodation - v- battery dog accomodation for her blog?
- By Polly [gb] Date 04.01.12 18:25 UTC
As she told us she has done puppy farming and is not interested.
- By Stevensonsign [gb] Date 04.01.12 18:55 UTC
Odd how she doesn't bother attacking , naming and shaming the puppy farmers , where there are no health tests carried out at all....
- By pat [gb] Date 04.01.12 20:31 UTC
Three pages and some comments are worth reading too
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 04.01.12 21:49 UTC
I know of BYB's who register one litter with the KC and the next with Dog Lovers to get round the rules, if both sets of registrations were available for scrutiny this loophole could be closed.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 04.01.12 22:07 UTC
I may be wrong but I don't believe DLRC keep a register, they simply record and issue what the 'breeder' wants.

Today the bitch can be Floss mated to Jet, next time she can be Sally mated to Fred.

Traceability is the main reason most Puppy farmers don't use the KC, (especially since litter, relationship and age restrictions) the BYB's and commercially driven lower end might for the odd litter just to look good and say they have KC recognition, seems to impress some buyers.  I suspect they have obtained some stock that have papers so they register the offspring.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 04.01.12 22:17 UTC
From the links above and replies to questions, they say they monitor registrations and don't allow puppies from matings of less than a year apart.
I take your point the breeder could just call the bitch by another name, but at present, it is quite common for BYB to have a litter every six months and register with each organisation alternately !!!
If Dog Lovers can't be banned, the next best thing would be to get it regulated so it would be open to scrutiny and we could see who was registering puppies with them and how frequently.
- By pat [gb] Date 06.01.12 08:38 UTC
About 7 pages now and many more comments. DLRU is being questioned and is answering, well sort of.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.01.12 11:55 UTC
They will contact and threaten legal action to anyone criticising them, we have had to moderate our posts here as many of us and I expect admin have been threatened with legal action.

Glad the KC don't gag us like that.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 06.01.12 19:08 UTC
Someone who is not scared needs to take them on !!!!
The MEN who ran the story about celebrities buying dogs from this puppy supermarket, only published one slightly critical letter despite all the posts against this place on the MEN website. But they do have a large advert in that paper every evening, and have done for years. The name has changed over the years from Mayfield Kennels, DogRus, Dog4us.
If someone was to do a survey of vets in the Greater Manchester area about puppies with health issues I am sure they would come up with some very interesting information.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.01.12 19:16 UTC

> If someone was to do a survey of vets in the Greater Manchester area about puppies with health issues I am sure they would come up with some very interesting information.


And pedigree dog breeders as a whole would get the blame.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 06.01.12 19:26 UTC
I think most of the vets in the area are very aware where the problems come from. They usually ask the owner where the puppy was obtained from.
Most of the training clubs in this area also have a lot of experience, as the trade has been going on for more than 30 yrs.
The problem is that when the owner gets to the Vet or Training Club they have already purchased the puppy, and are experiencing problems.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 06.01.12 20:01 UTC

>If someone was to do a survey of vets in the Greater Manchester area about puppies with health issues I am sure they would come up with some very interesting information.


It's not just that area. We have a client who's just bought a puppy from there (grrr - I daren't say more) and we're in south Warwickshire.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 06.01.12 20:20 UTC
The Public need educating, but while local newspapers are allowed to actively promote these places by doing features on celebs buying pups there, what can we do ?
These places can provide an instant pup, to those who want it now !! Something that the smaller hobby breeder is unable to do and would not want to.
- By Polly [gb] Date 06.01.12 22:30 UTC

> Glad the KC don't gag us like that.


What ever you may think of the KC they do not try to gag people not even Jemima! Although at the moment I am told her blog is griping about the KCs long standing rules about taking photographs and trying to make out that this has been introduced because of her and her cronies.... lol

Re the BYB and pup farms registering with the Kc one litter then six months later with DLR there are at least two other registers I have come across. As the KC does not hold a monopoly on holding a register anyone can and obviously some have set up their own registers for the use of these unscrupulous breeders so all would have to work together as well as with any new registers springing up in the future.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 06.01.12 22:48 UTC
IMHO there should only be one registration scheme for dogs the KC's as there has been running for years and is checkable when purchasing a dog. These other registration schemes are open to abuse and the paper work is not worth the paper it is written on.
How we get the message accross to Jo Public I don't know.  When all pups have to be microchipped at least there will be a link back to the breeder, but I have doubts that the unscrupulous will still find ways of hiding their identity.
Perhaps bona fide ID should be required at the time of microchipping, but then grooming parlours and private individuals can microchip so probably fairly easy to give false details if they wanted to.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 07.01.12 11:22 UTC Edited 07.01.12 11:24 UTC
Personally as I have always had all my pups ear tattooed I wish they wouldn't just keep harping on about chipping, choice of permanent identification of puppies should be left to the breeder, though I agree that they should have permanent ID.

Chipping will only be helpful if all the Chip databases are required to keep the breeders details on record.  Now they don't have to and I know many pups chipped by the breeder have first details as that of new owner, and I have heard of some that never get registered, so the chip is useless.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 07.01.12 17:09 UTC
Good point Brainless, I agree which ever method of ID the breeder prefers. But I think there must be a reliable link back to the breeder.
It would also help if a dog turned up in rescue, at the moment there is no requirement for it to be returned to the breeder, if any of my pups were in this situation I would want them back, I do a contract with the new owners but as far as I understand at the present time rescue services can choose to ignore it.
- By Jeff (Moderator) Date 07.01.12 17:14 UTC
Could not agree more, we have just had a 4 year old back thanks to her ear tattoo.
Jeff.
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