hiya i am looking for a bit of advice

i am the new owner of a 9 week old puppy and have just found out that she has a hernia, the people who i brought her off never mentioned to me even tho they knew she had got one as she had took her to the vets about it

she is kennel club registered but shud the breeders have told me about this and will this be a problem for her later on in life

thanks in advance

Quite often a puppy hernia will just go away as the puppy grows. I have had 2 pups in the past with hernias and in both cases they were gone within a few months. If you have doubts have it checked by the vet, but he will most likely say it is nothing to worry about.

thank you for you reply

i really do hope that it just goes  away as she is a loveley little pup, do you think that the breeder should of informed me about the hernia as they allready knew about it
cheers

Here is an earlier discussion from the 'other side of the debate' as it were BUT there is a lot of useful information in the thread about what a hernia is, and what you might expect.

Worth a read for the 'medical facts' alone.  Hope it puts your mind at rest :)

thanks for the link i will have a read of that

im just mad that the breeder never told me even tho they knew :(

m just mad that the breeder never told me even tho they knew

To answer your earlier question yes, I do think they should have told you however if it is small and the vet was happy with it perhaps they thought there was no point in worrying you when the pup was not at risk and the small hernia would in all probability go.

It is a different matter if the hernia is severe and involving the intestines which will require an operation if that is the case then they should have discussed it with you and offered to pay for the repair to be done.

I'd be mad too x

will take daisy to the vets 2morrow and see that the vet recommends then if they say she needs surgery do you think i shud go back to the breeder
sorry for all the questions i have never had a puppy b4

> the people who i brought her off never mentioned to me even tho they knew she had got one as she had took her to the vets about it

I'm not sure I understand this bit (! sorry!).  How do you know they had taken the puppy to a vet, if they didn't mention the hernia to you? 

What would you like to happen next?  Do you think you've been deceived, and want recompense?

I'd suggest you get the facts from a vet if you are worried, and talk to the breeder before making any decisions.  Perhaps they had the hernia checked, were reassured that it's not a problem, so didn't think to mention it...

I do think the breeder should have discussed the hernia with you - problem or no.  They should make sure you understand what a hernia is, how it can be caused, and what the possible outcome will be; BUT they probably deserve the benefit of the doubt until you've found out a bit more, I'd hesitate to judge them purely based on this    ...yet

PS just curious how did you 'just' find out about the hernia?  Did you not see it at the time of meeting the pup, or on any subsequent visit, or has it just occurred?

do you think i shud go back to the breeder

Think you should relax a bit first, hernias are common in pups, it is not the best of situations but in some breeds it is almost the norm. Ask your vet for an opinion and then decide what you want to do, chances are this is not a problem and will not be noticeable in a few months.

Don't be too cross with the breeder because if yours is a breed where it is common they perhaps did not think to mention it to you knowing it was not unusual and should cause no problem.

Now if your vet is concerned then perhaps you should approach the breeder and ask why you were not told, they may ask to take the pup back and return your money but I am not sure you would want that so be prepared.

None of what I have said means I don't think they should have said something but perhaps to them if is no big deal.

dogs a bab i found out by accident
when i brought daisy her second injection was included in the price of the pup, so quickly popped in to the vets earlier to book an appointment for her second injections
when the woman on reception i think she was a vetinary nurse said did you buy her off mr ***** i said yes and then she said oh is she the pup who got bit on her nose, i said no as there is no evidence of that and it apparantley only happened last week
she then went on to say well is she the female pup with the hernia because the breeder had brought the pup in because of the hernia, i was quite shocked and said no i dont think so so she asked if she could quickly check her and she pointed it out on her belly, i hadnt noticed it untill she said

im not cross with the breeder or maybe i just expect everyone to be as honest as me and be truthful, if the vet has told them that its nothing to be worried about then isnt it better just to be honest about it
i just wished that they could of mentioned something to me but will get her to the vets 2moz and fingers crossed it will b something that she outgrows :)

This article may set your mind at rest: http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/umbilical.html

This article: http://www.petplace.com/dogs/umbilical-hernia-in-dogs/page1.aspx
"Small umbilical hernias may close spontaneously in young animals. Spontaneous closure may occur up to 6 months of age.

Some small umbilical hernias may not be repaired and pets may live their entire lives with them without any problem."

Hi there again bexspug, I think that the Vet Nurse overstepped the mark by telling you about a clients dealings with their vet and I am sure you are worrying about nothing. I am now thinking that your vet seeing you are concerned may offer or suggest an operation when one is unnecessary and the hernia is not a problem.

What you are describing would not be causing most people any worry at all and I think you would be best to ask your vet to check and then forget about it till the pup is at least a year and then ask the vet to check again.

Are you planning on having the pup spayed at some time in the future. One of mine had a hernia that I would probably have left alone, however when she went to be spayed the vet asked if I would like it corrected at the same time, and I agreed. In my case I would not have had a separate op just for the hernia as it was not a bother to her.

in my experience (as an owner & sometimes working dog breeder - registered of course) I would always make the new owner aware of the hernia, if it was a nasty one that needed treatment - I would discuss it with the new owner & either drop the price of pup accordingly or have the op done before the pup left my property.  But I would NEVER not inform the new owner - that is just bad management - I would be very #@!%^ over that, & I would be ringing them about some compensation......
As I have said in other topics.....  this is only my opinion.....  other breeders/owners do things there own way...

I'm sorry but she should be reprimanded for sharing that about the puppies, what about patient confidentiality!

I have a pup here with a hernia and panicked just like you are now, but my vet checked it out and said it was much like an outie belly button and harmless. I'm happy with this and regarding what others have said, I think we'll be fine.

I would always tell a new owner about a hernia.

In my opinion regardless of whether your pup's hernia is going to close by itself or require surgery, the breeders should have told you about it. However, your pup is now your pup and as the other posters have pointed out it is very likely she will be just fine. See what the vet has to say and then you can decide what you want to say to the breeder. I think that even if the vet says it can be left, it would be a good idea to call the breeder and let them know. If they are ethical breeders and there has been a mistake and they didn't realise (hence not telling you), then they will certainly want to know.

I think the breeder should have told you, but don't panic too much, like others have said it's often nothing to worry about. I have a breed where it's pretty common, and my girl has a pretty large hernia, has never needed a repair, though I keep a close eye on it, and has whelped 2 litters without any trouble. Don't be too quick to believe the vet if they say it needs repair, some vets sadly are all about the money! But do keep an eye on it for any signs of trouble.

hi i have taken daisy to the vets have been told not to breed off her and to get her spayed and have the hernia removed at the same time

again the vetinary nurse said when i took her is this the pup with the hernia
i want to approach the breeders about this as they knew so what would you advise to b the best way about it

thanks in advance

First thing I would do would be to take her to a different vet.

We can't see this hernia but I would want a second opinion it is hard to believe that if the hernia is that bad you would not have noticed it before the big mouthed receptionist stuck her oar in.

Have you spoken to the breeder or shown her to any other knowledgeable person in the breed. if so what do they say.

hi its only a small hernia about the size of a pea and i trueley neva noticed it untill the receptionist said something

i dont know any other people who breeds the same dog that i could ask for advice

but maybe getting a second opinion sounds like a good idea

i havent been intouch with the breeder untill i saw the vet

Well  I can't give veterinary advice but I think you would be well advised to see another vet, it sound like the sort of thing that happens more often that it should but on the other hand many many pups grow into healthy adults and have healthy litters.

Think you present vet and their staff have bees in their bonnets and are best ignored, register somewhere else.

Agree with Nova, some vets have major fixations on hernias, I took Ellie once to the vet as she was limping and whining and I think she'd strained her leg muscle somewhere, as soon as the locum vet saw the hernia he was convinced it was the cause and hardly glanced at the rest of the dog. You should definitely get a 2nd opinion.

> hi its only a small hernia about the size of a pea and i trueley neva noticed it untill the receptionist said something

Size of a pea is nothing... while I am not an expert, I can't see why the vets are getting upset about that as something that small might easily close of its own accord. I am with the others - the vet recept had no right to comment and that's a breach of client confidentiality - I'd find a new vets if I were you :)

the breeder SHOULD of mentioned it , if only to out your mind at rest that is was okay etc, the vet nurse/receptionist SHOULD NOT have said anything, that is WELL out of order and breaking the rules..!!!!

i am sure your puppy will be fine and its not reason to panic, yes go to another vet , but also contact the breeder and tell them the vets have told you what they did i would be mortified, but the breeder should have said in the first place..!!!

all the best...

>>Size of a pea is nothing... while I am not an expert, I can't see why the vets are getting upset about that as something that small might easily close of its own accord. I am with the others

For money of course.  I remember my vet saying to me they'll micro chip the dog when I bring her in for speying.  i never said she would be speyed and i told the vet so as well.

DOgs can go to have litters either with a hernia or a repaired one, depending on the size of it or what caused it.  Usdually they're caused by tugging on the cord at birth.  there can be a weakness that doubles the likeliness if trauma occurred.

Leave alone if you want and wait and see, they can repair.  You don't need to spey.