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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / 3yr old peeing in the house grrrr.
- By ali-t [gb] Date 31.10.11 07:46 UTC
My 3 (this week) year old entire male rott has pee'd in the house the last 2 mornings and I am not impressed :mad:  It has been marking rather than emptying his bladder and yesterday it was in my bedroom up the curtains and on the carpet and today up the cloakroom door.

He doesn't tend to get upstairs unless he is well supervised and yesterday he came up while I was in the shower so wasn't supervised.  Today I was getting ready for work and he did it up the cloakroom door while I wasn't there.  I don't want to go back to crating him at every moment I can't supervise him but also can't watch him every waking moment.

He is entire as he is a total wuss but fear aggressive.  Both my trainer and my vet advised against neutering as he needs the testosterone to give him the levels of confidence he does have.  Neutered rotts also have a significantly increased risk of bone cancer in comparison with entire so I would only neuter as a very last resort so please no suggestions that neutering will fix this.

As far as I am aware there are no in-season bitches around.  He hasn't been paying particular attention to any of the neighbours houses while we have been out and hasn't wanted to be outdoors more than usual so I am fairly sure it is not an in-season bitch causing this.

Any tips on how to stop this is or even suggestions why it may be occurring?  If this is him at maturity trying to assert his authority he is in for a shock!  I have never caught him in the act and he has been fully clean since being a puppy.  When puberty was kicking in (8/9 months) he did mark in the house twice, once on my other dogs bed and the other time on my bedroom carpet (different place to now and it has been washed countless times by the carpet shampoo man since then).

All suggestions and input welcome
- By mcmanigan773 [gb] Date 31.10.11 09:15 UTC
I have a 4 year old male who does this. He is neutered, we got him when he was 3 and he didn't do it for the first 6 months or so that we got him but now he does it whenever left unsupervised. I have only caught him once-doing it up the radiator and he got a telling off but it made no difference, he does it anyway. (Walls, radiators, curtains, sofa, doors wherever he can really). I now have no other option than to crate him when unsupervised and I have no trouble with him now.

Hope you can solve it better than I did for your fella though :)
- By Celli [gb] Date 31.10.11 09:28 UTC
I wonder if anything in your house has changed ?, as he's a bit of a big girls blouse, it could be very easy for him to become unsure/upset, in his home environment by change, have you moved furniture, changed your routine, anything out of the ordinary ?. Unfortunately dogs like nothing more than the smell of their own wee to make them feel more secure, hence ( I think) his marking.
- By Lacy Date 31.10.11 09:37 UTC

> Unfortunately dogs like nothing more than the smell of their own wee to make them feel more secure, hence ( I think) his marking.


One of ours marked all the bedrooms and the lounge many years ago and he hasn't done it again since.  Often thought it was just a way of putting his mark on the house as Celi says to make him feel more secure - prior to us he had always lived outside.
- By mastifflover Date 31.10.11 09:50 UTC
Fireworks have been randomly going off around here for the past couple of weeks (even inthe day)- could he be unsettled by fireworks??
- By ali-t [gb] Date 31.10.11 12:21 UTC
Celli, funny you say that.  I have just sold my house, having been looking for a new one and have starting to pack some of my belongings.  He also doesn't usually get upstairs but has done over the last couple of weeks and with the clocks changing I have stayed in bed an extra hour each morning.  The only time he has done it has been first thing in the morning.  Could it really be that simple??
- By Celli [gb] Date 31.10.11 12:44 UTC
I'd put money on that being the reason, from the quick description you gave of him, I'd guess moving house and everything being topsy-turvy would push him to piddling, hopefully it will settle down once you've moved but watch out for him doing a wee (ho ho ) bit in the new house too. You might find a DAP spray or something like Zylkene will help sooth him.
- By Goldmali Date 31.10.11 16:29 UTC
He is entire as he is a total wuss but fear aggressive.  Both my trainer and my vet advised against neutering as he needs the testosterone to give him the levels of confidence he does have.

I just wanted to comment on this, not really in your boy's case as it seems there are far easier solutions but in general. I tried my very nervous entire male dog out with Suprelorin to see how he would act if castrated. He was fine so despite being one of the most nervous dogs you could ever meet (think not being able to walk within a hundred yards of other people without freaking out -indeed refusing to go out for walks at all given half a chance) we had him neutered. Turned out to be the best thing we ever did as it has actually increased his confidence and calmed him down a lot. One of his litter brothers who also had the same problems has also been improved by neutering, and they too went down the route of chemical castration first. So it isn't  always a case of it making such dogs worse -it can help too (I think it is because the dogs relax and no longer feel the need to act the big macho male), but obviously it is vital to test it out the chemical route first.
- By furriefriends Date 31.10.11 18:02 UTC
wish I hjad known about superlorin before we took the castration route for my boy on advice . i would have like to have the option of knowing how he would have been because I dont think it made any difference and he was very young inretrospect and with more knowledge (10mths)
- By ali-t [gb] Date 31.10.11 20:37 UTC
Marianne, I considered suprelorin before but was put off by the stories of increased aggression before it settled in.  I don't know what the link is between neutering and bone cancer in rotts but would need to check out whether suprelorin had the same effect.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt the last couple of days that he is a bit unsettled but there is no way that I am going to let it continue.  I will put a bag on the end of it rather than have him peeing round my house. grrr.
- By Nikita [gb] Date 01.11.11 08:19 UTC
The neutering link could be down to early neutering - that is supposed to increase the risk of osteosarcoma by up to double, the earlier it's done (does the same thing in all large/giant breeds, I know about it because of dobes).

I too would bet it's him being unsettled - have you tried giving him any calming remedies for it?  Scullcap & Valerian (or Valerian tincture, I use that here) for example?  Better that than you getting annoyed with him because if he's as nervous as you say, I can absolutely guarantee that will make the problem worse - even if you're only seething inside and make every effort to look happy to him, he'll pick up on it.
- By Celli [gb] Date 01.11.11 09:49 UTC
Better that than you getting annoyed with him because if he's as nervous as you say, I can absolutely guarantee that will make the problem worse - even if you're only seething inside and make every effort to look happy to him, he'll pick up on it.

Absolutely Nikita, if you meet him head on over this it may spiral and get worse, you need to address the root cause, not the symptom.
Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / 3yr old peeing in the house grrrr.

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