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- By Tracey123 [gb] Date 23.07.11 16:34 UTC
What a pity someone couldnt save her. A brilliant song writer and singer but just couldnt get away from the drugs and drink.
- By Lea Date 23.07.11 16:50 UTC
I was just about to post this myself,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14262237
Such a troubled girl, I hope now she will be able to Rest in peace, something she hasnt had since a child.
I feel sorry for her father who tried his hardest to save her again and again and again.
Lea :(
- By suejaw Date 23.07.11 16:55 UTC
Gosh, such a pity, she had her whole life ahead of her.. May she rest in peace and her family AND friends be left alone by the press to grieve.
- By Lea Date 23.07.11 17:03 UTC
A very messed up girl.
I wonder what her Ex husband will be thinking while in prison, he had a hand in making her what she was as well.
http://www.sleafordstandard.co.uk/news/regional_2_6535/fielder_civil_jailed_for_burglary_1_2797755
Lea.
- By cornishmals [gb] Date 23.07.11 17:05 UTC
Caught this on Face book.No surprise but such a sad waste of a life.
- By Cani1 [gb] Date 23.07.11 17:14 UTC
What a waste , I feel for her father and her god daughter Dion who she was helping with her career .
R.I.P Amy :(
- By Oldilocks [gb] Date 23.07.11 17:15 UTC
So Sad, but what a waste of a talent....
- By ShaynLola Date 23.07.11 17:26 UTC
She has been on the road to self destruction for such a long time but the loss of any young life is tragic.  All the more so for her huge talent and what might have been had she followed a different path than the one that led to alcohol and drug abuse  :-(
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 23.07.11 17:36 UTC
A talented but deeply troubled soul. Hopefully she's at peace now.
- By Dogz Date 23.07.11 17:36 UTC
So sad, she really was never meant to make old bones.
- By tina s [gb] Date 23.07.11 17:57 UTC
So very sad and such a lovely and unusual voice. My kids seem to think she was an 'ugly junkie' but i thought she looked gorgeous
bummer
- By Daisy [gb] Date 23.07.11 18:50 UTC
How sad :( I just hope that her legacy will be to make a few young people think hard before abusing drink or drugs - so many think it won't happen to them :( :(
- By Tracey123 [gb] Date 23.07.11 18:52 UTC
If you think about it though so many have gone before her.... paula yates, michael jackson etc. She wont change a thing about people on drugs today. :-(
- By LJS Date 23.07.11 19:06 UTC Edited 23.07.11 19:09 UTC
I doubt kids will until the likes of Pete Doherty are dealt with properly.

I never really rated her as a person , thought she was a cheap dirty looking girl but a very talented singer though .
- By Lea Date 23.07.11 19:06 UTC
My 16 year old told me just as it broke and said she had gone the same way as Kurt Cobain!!!
These celebs have been doing it for years, some coming out of it, others not.
She now lies in the history of the other celebs that thought they were invincable.
Sad very sad
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 23.07.11 20:26 UTC
Not shocked.  I'm another who feels so much for her father.  He tried so hard to get her help but she and it seems those around her didn't want it.

THings will never improve unless we all stop buying th mags and papers or their writers and editors change what they think a "celebrity" should be.  Also the laws need to change for these so-called celebs they seem to do whatever they want and get away with it.

Was watching an item on Karen Carpenter a few weeks ago and it showed her when they first started out.  She was a skinny thing then but the media etc. forced her to go anorexic and everything she did inbetween. 
- By flomo [gb] Date 23.07.11 20:29 UTC
sad but to be honest i cant feel the same sympathy as i do for the poor families in Norway .
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 23.07.11 20:37 UTC

>THings will never improve unless we all stop buying th mags and papers or their writers and editors change what they think a "celebrity" should be.


Ditto.
It's easy to blame 'the meeja' but they only print what people will buy.
- By MsTemeraire Date 23.07.11 20:58 UTC
27 is no age - but she is not the first, and won't be the last, musician to die young from the effects of drink and/or drugs. There are too many gone before her to mention.
- By Carrington Date 24.07.11 08:39 UTC
THings will never improve unless we all stop buying th mags and papers or their writers and editors change what they think a "celebrity" should be

I'm not so sure, since time began with celebrities before the way it is today which I agree is horrendous, those enticed by the fame monster always drunk or did drugs, we just know more about it today, every move they make is recorded, but not so sure it would stop them from doing it even if things weren't so hyped up. Go back to the 40's, 50's, 60's they all did something. :-(

In fact I've been very hard pushed to try and think of a music star who hasn't - perhaps Cliff Richard??????? :-D They have always been drinkers or high. It just seems to be part of the scene if your famous particularly around music you will be enticed no matter how well brought up, or how good a family or friends you have, some just go overboard and can't get back.

My boys have always had their own band, they play to family and friends but never, will I encourage them to try to hit the big time, I've always steered them towards real careers and advised them to go to Uni etc to plan for a 'real' job, IMO 'celebrity' and I agree a thousand times worse today is signing your child's rehab card. :-(

What a waste of life........ Amy had all that talent just thrown away, I also feel for her poor family, but they were probably helpless to her choice of life or I guess death...........
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 07:53 UTC
Yes it's sad but what i don't get is that because she was a celebrity all these people come out of the woodwork and say how lovely she was, what a shame etc etc but when this happens to 'joe public' the same people say it serves them right.  She chose this life, no-one forced it on her.  I have no pity.  I'll save it for more deserving cases.
- By Whistler [gb] Date 25.07.11 09:51 UTC
Im old enough to remember Janis Joplin
- By furriefriends Date 25.07.11 10:09 UTC
Yep me to , well just:)
- By elephantman [bg] Date 25.07.11 10:15 UTC
RIP Amy. It's sad when someone so talented passes away. It's obvious that shed had her problems with her health and substance abuse but still it's not nice when someone that young passes away.
- By earl [gb] Date 25.07.11 10:23 UTC
Someone else who shares my thoughts Chrissy.  I do feel sorry for her parents, no matter what else she was, they've lost their daughter.
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 11:39 UTC
Agreed, Earl, no parent wants to bury their child.  Pity she didn't think about that.  I feel sad for her parents but i feel nothing for her.  She had all the money and every opportunity to sort herself out, but did nothing.  The man on the street who wants to quit but doesn't have the resources to go into rehab has very little help. My sympathies, if any, are for that man - the one who wants to quit but gets thwarted by the authorities at every turn.  I know it's ultimately their decision to start down this road and everyone knows the consequences.  I just feel that the celebs get all the outpouring of grief, flowers, lighted candles, the trite condoloscencies, but the little man gets scourned.

I'm gonna get off my soapbox now!
- By tina s [gb] Date 25.07.11 14:01 UTC
post mortem says no cause of death, is it a cover up or are all the people that say she was overdosed, wrong?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 25.07.11 14:12 UTC
Why would it be a cover-up. A friend of mine who was found dead last year had two postmortems carried out and they still couldn't be certain of the cause of his death. Anything anyone else says is just speculation and salacious gossip, and should be ignored.
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 14:49 UTC
I don't think salacious gossip comes into it.  She was a drug raddled alcoholic. 
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 14:49 UTC
They haven't done the Post Mortem yet ?
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 14:57 UTC
I didn't think so either.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 25.07.11 15:01 UTC

>She was a drug raddled alcoholic. 


Yes, but that might not be the direct cause of death.
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 15:05 UTC
I appreciate that, but all this sympathy for her is wasted in my opinion.
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 15:06 UTC
Very likely to be attributed to her death as probability of the years and type of abuse her body went through.

She also had emphysema which was a direct result of the abuse of substances
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 25.07.11 15:09 UTC

>all this sympathy for her is wasted in my opinion.


I agree. As for her 'fans' leaving packets of cigarettes and bottles of vodka along with the flowers outside her house ... that's just sick.
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 15:14 UTC
I totally agree.  What is that about?  You wouldn't leave a gun as a sign of rememberance to the poor kids shot dead in Norway.
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 15:16 UTC
That is a common thing that people do . We had a horrific accident near here a few years ago where a family were more or less wiped out by a drunk driver who was also killed with three passengers. The road side tributes had cigarettes and cans left. It was disgraceful :-(
- By Chrissy [gb] Date 25.07.11 15:20 UTC
That is sick.  I had never heard of that before, obviously i've seen the flowers and cuddly toys at the site of an accident but never alcohol and cigarettes.  What goes through people's minds to think it's ok to do that.
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 15:30 UTC
I think it is a youth thing as the people who die are normally young especially if it is a lad and so the morons who leave them things think is is acceptable , idiots.
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 16:38 UTC
They have now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14272032
- By freelancerukuk [gb] Date 25.07.11 17:26 UTC Edited 25.07.11 17:29 UTC
LJS, This is not a reply to you, just tagging on to conversation.

I think it is very sad to lose her talent- a really wonderful voice and songwriter. It is tragic for her parents, not least because there was nothing more they could do to help her, in my view anyhow. I think Russell Brand hit the nail on the head when he underlined that addiction, in its myriad forms, is primarily an illness.

Addictions, like other forms of mental illness, are often excruciating and frustrating for those around the person afflicted. The illness of addiction makes a waste of life and potential, and I hope that one day medical knowledge will expand to find a way to deal with these horrendous conditions.
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 18:31 UTC
There are systems in place and therapies that do work and especially as she could afford it. It was down to the fact that she didn't accept that she needed to get proper help.

Look at Russell Brand he had both alcohol and drug problems combined with a sex addiction but he came through it by accepting he had problems and needed help.

It is the individual accepting they have a mental illness and only then will they start to being able to accept help.
- By freelancerukuk [gb] Date 25.07.11 18:46 UTC
I'd always thought an inability to accept help was part of the illness, in that the lure (numbing/innuring effect) of any particular addiction proves too strong for certain individuals. She did go into rehab a number of times indicating, perhaps, that part of her wanted help, though the part that wanted the various drugs was stronger and she only ever stayed a few days or hours before relapsing.

Yes, Brand along with many others, won through, but many don't. I just find it hard to accept that it is purely a matter of choice and acceptance. I really don't think we know enough about how the brain and neural networks work with regard to addiction etc.. and the many factors that must influence the outcome. You are right though, the ones that can stick with abstinence and the various therapies, for whatever reason, have a much greater chance of coming through.
- By Nova Date 25.07.11 19:05 UTC
Although not religious I believe there is a lot to be said for the sentiment expressed in the sentence "There but for the grace of God go I"

I feel sorrow for the loss and for everyone effected by the loss, now is not the time to rake over the ashes you don't have to feel sorry but it would be nice to feel compassion.
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 19:10 UTC
I think it also goes deeper in not being able to have a loving relationship as she proved she couldn't . It says she deeply loved her parents and deeply loved the idiot she married , then the last chap she was with. She asked him to marry her but he refused as he couldn't accept the way she was even though he gave her as much help and support he could. It seemed it was all or nothing.

She seemed quite an obsessive person who I think would only have been able to engage in treatment if she had been sectioned and made to have therapy whether it be cognitive and drug combined.

Sometimes you have to take away somebodies rights to being able to say make their own decisions in the fact that you can see how destructive and harmful they are being to themselves and other around them.
- By tina s [gb] Date 25.07.11 19:23 UTC
It was down to the fact that she didn't accept that she needed to get proper help.

classic addicts behaviour
i have never met an alchoholic that would admit it
- By freelancerukuk [gb] Date 25.07.11 19:24 UTC
I think you hit on something when you suggest she might have had an obsessive side and deep seated insecurities about her looks etc..- add to that base line the deletrious effects that narcotics, alcohol (plus her rumoured eating disorder) would all have had on her brain, and it is possible that those neural changes were so far reaching as to be permanent and damaging. One thinks how much some people drink or take drugs and are relatively unaffected, a rare minority will hallucinate on a modicum of alcohol.

Anyway, so many what ifs. I'm with Nova, compassion is the best response to something we barely understand.
- By Dogz Date 25.07.11 20:00 UTC
I'd second that, we no not what hand life will deal us, or our children.

Karen :(
- By Daisy [gb] Date 25.07.11 20:01 UTC

> Anyway, so many what ifs. I'm with Nova, compassion is the best response to something we barely understand


I agree. As someone said - there but for the grace of God ..........
- By LJS Date 25.07.11 20:41 UTC Edited 25.07.11 20:43 UTC
I have known a couple of alcoholics who admitted they needed help and got it ! It is all about how far you let your go down a route and if you have anything to grasp onto to male you get help. It is all within us somewhere but how deep it sinks in people sometimes is for some people too far.
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