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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Endorsements
- By Paula Dal [gb] Date 20.05.11 10:02 UTC
Hi, Can an endorsement be lifted from a dog, then the dog used at stud and then the endorsement be put back on?
Paula xxx
- By kayc [gb] Date 20.05.11 10:06 UTC
Yes.  The breeder can lift the endorsements to allow the dog to be used, then the owner  can have them put back in place
- By Brainless [gb] Date 20.05.11 10:09 UTC
Any person can place an endorsement on a dog that is registered in their ownership whilst it is in their physical possession.
- By dogs a babe Date 20.05.11 11:18 UTC
Once the breeder has lifted the endorsement though they effectively lose control over future matings so I can see why some breeders would prefer to be able to reinstate the endorsement themselves.

Are you the breeder, or owner of the potential stud dog?  Hopefully as a breeder you'll have a good relationship with the owner and be able to influence them in future matings.  If you are the owner perhaps you just need to be able to reassure them that you won't allow your dog to be used on anything without consultation?  It would be heartbreaking as a breeder to see your precious boys (and their lines) being overused or, god forbid, to create crossbreeds...
- By labs [gb] Date 20.05.11 11:49 UTC
Endorsements doesn't stop you from breeding a dog just makes you unable to register resulting puppies so sadly it wouldn't matter if a dog was used to create cross-breeds.
- By Paula Dal [gb] Date 20.05.11 12:43 UTC
No I'm not the breeder. (I have never bred a litter).
This was a purely hypothetical question.
I was just looking into the "bitch on loan" and joint ownership of a stud dog info and all the pit falls that "could" occur from such agreements.
I do eventually want to breed so I was just adding this information to the "Old grey matter" :-)
Thanks
Paula xxx
PS:
Dogs a babe, I have thought about what you are saying about "the breeder" being able to reinstate the endorsements themselves but what if they put it back on because of Jealousy or spitefulness because of a falling out etc? not every breeder is honest and fair.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 20.05.11 12:59 UTC Edited 20.05.11 13:02 UTC
The breeder can't put an endorsement back on, unless they actually own the dog and it is physically in their possession.  it's the owner fo the dog that can place endorsements, so that would be the breeder of a litter, as they own the pups at the time they apply the endorsements.

Lets say for arguments sake I owned a stud dog and then decided to re-home it, I could apply the breeding endorsement to it's papers so that the new owner could nto use it to breed registrable progeny.

Not that I re-home adult breeding stocks, but for example someone may feel their dog has already been used enough, or a failing has manifested in the offspring that they do not want perpetuated.

In a way this is the weakness with the endorsement process, once removed you have no more control over how your stock is used.

there are cases where bing able to remove endorsements on a per litter basis would be an advantage.  For example in the case of an animal that has Carrier status for a particular recessive genetic disease, it would be good to be able to ensure that the animal could only be mated to a clear partner.. 
- By dogs a babe Date 20.05.11 13:04 UTC

>not every breeder is honest and fair


No, and of course not every owner is either but I'd guess it has to come down to trust.  If the breeder has a good relationship with their owner then there's no reason to doubt that both parties will attempt to do the right thing - for the first mating and beyond.

I should say that I've never bred either, or had a dog used at stud, but you're right - if you own dogs or bitches that show well it is something you need to at least consider, even if only hypothetically.  We often read stories on CD when these agreements have gone wrong so it's sensible to think ahead!

For the endorsement to be lifted in the first place there must be a degree of discussion up front and, particularly if the breeder is consulted about the bitch in question, then it's an ideal time for the breeder to act as mentor and teach the potential stud owner about their responsibilities.  Good breeders, particularly those that show and work their dogs have extensive knowledge about their breed (dogs past and present) and it would be a daft owner that ignores their advice :)
Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Endorsements

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