I know it is early days and I do tend to panic but Whispa appears to be jealous of new pup. Can I have some advice please.
He is bit guardy around food anyway and certainly made it known that he wants new pup no where to be seen if he has his food.actually grabbing her when she slipped out the door towards him. I can deal with that by feeding him in aplace she cant get to. He has also decided certain chews are his and is growling at her.
My dog walker has just informed me he has been really naughty out on walks trying to dominate others with bullying behaviour.This was something I had to work on when he was younger but has reappeared
She is sleeping in the kitchen in her crate, he is sleeping where he always has next to my bed , I have tried to keep his routine unchanged. Feeding him first greeting him first, Pup is not allowed upstairs he has the run of the house.
I was thinking of bring her upstairs to sleep as she is taking some time to settle ( about 1hour) and thought she may be happier, she isnt yet keen on having me out of her sight but I dont want to do that and then make Whispa  worse as there isnt room for a crate and Whispa by my bed.

What do those with experience of introducing new pups think about this?

Give it time it is very early days and things will settle down in time.

What you need to do is make sure she is supervised at all times and make sure Whispa is able to escape when ever he wants to a place where he feel safe and comfortable.

He is just stating his place and showing her that he is not to be ignored.He was in the house first and so she will have to learn that when he says no she must back off. As she grows older you will probably find she becomes alot more confident and he will be more accepting and peace and harmony will once more be back and then she will probably start to rule the roost !

I would just ask the Dog Walker to try and avoid situations where he can show the dominance behaviour and try and reward him as much as possible when he is being good ! It will pass hopefully and he will be back to normal once he is happier with the new addition !

Adult males can be very suspicious of puppies, and a bit scared.  Mine took til the pup was about 12 weeks before they settled back down so you just need to be patient and to give them some space.  I use baby gates to allow the pup to bimble about without tripping up the other dogs.  The pup would drag a bucket on string and scoop up unwary adults, and furniture...  !

My adults sleep in crates downstairs and the pup was upstairs with us.  I'd always suggest having a pup in your bedroom as it makes it so much easier for them to settle and for you to get a decent nights sleep (whilst learning their bladder habits), but you can sleep downstairs instead if that's easier.  I had the normal sized crate for the pup downstairs and a smaller temporary one upstairs (as I couldn't be bothered to keep moving it).  Would that help with your space issue?  Otherwise is the landing or doorway any good?

Don't forget that it's the crate and fleece etc that your pup will associate with bed, not the location of the crate - so it doesn't really matter where you put it.

How old is Whispa?  Age shouldn't make much difference but training does - if he is old enough for his training to be well established, and secure enough in your affection to be able to cope with a bit of ignoring then he will be ok.  Give him a room where he can play unmolested by the puppy and give her some of her high value stuff in her crate so both can learn to relax around each other.  Don't worry too much about order of feeding - she's going to be on 4 meals a day so there'll be plenty of times when she has to eat in front of him.  Either keep him out of the room or just feed her in her crate for a while, she'll learn that she can't eat and dash, and he'll learn that he is safe from the baby shark.  Hope this helps :)

> he is safe from the baby shark. 

Tell me about it, I have just had my 13 week pup jump up and put a nice rip in OH's dressing gown (that I am wearing, LOL ), already have a rip in each of two pairs of Jeans, it's those canines.

My oldest is only now starting to be more tolerant of her, second eldest growls a bit but tries to ignore her, third eldest has it most sorted as she succeeds in totally ignoring her, so gets least hassle from Pup.  Aunty Myka plays nicely with her and Mum is sometimes a tad too rough, but she gives as good as she gets.

Inter canine family relationships are all different and fascinating to watch.

Thank you good ideas. Reassuring that yours dogs a babe took a few weeks. I wasnt expecting no problems but just need reassurance that I am doing it right and what I can improve on. Two dogs was a new thing but three has got everyone thinking Ive gone mad. Someone at work (the animal hater) wants to know what on earth made me think I wanted another dog (said with disdain)  think I should have said why on earth did you want three childrenu
I could put a smaller crate near my bed if Mia doesnt object to losing her crate, she does have abed in it so I dont know if th ecrate is really important to her just her bed and she isnt locked in it anyway. good points about the crate dogs a babe
Whispa is 4 years old (yesterday actually !) we have worked hard together and he has come miles but does tend to become dominant if he feels threatened. I do hope he is secure but I have never had three dogs so splitting my affections to suite them all is something for me to work on
  I have also spoken to his breeder now who has always been fantastic and knows her dogs. I think the space issue is something to think about, I do have babygates but he has been used to free run of the house so I will ahve to think how o manage it best.
I am def going to keep him awayfrom here when he is eating as this seems to be a major isue for him. Being a pup she has no clue about manners yet and is all over the place saying "play play play",   She doesnt have the idea that if she is growled at backing off is a good idea yet" baby shark" lol
She thinks mia who is also shouting at her if she is trying to bounce on her is a que for going back for more , but I think that will get sorted soon. mia has a very different personality to Whispa.
phew I am so glad its good weather and I am only out working two days a week whoever thinks dogs are something you have and forget about wants to be a fly on the wall in the house of any conscientious dog owner. So far the washing and ironing is stack up , son has run out of socks and is moaning and had to so his own ironing this morning and I still havent had a shower dogs !!!!

> I know it is early days and I do tend to panic but Whispa appears to be jealous of new pup.

When I brought Buster home as a pup I had a male oldie at home allready (13yrs, lab cross). Oldie had always welcomed visitng dogs/pups so we thought it would be a breeze to have another pup - we were wrong!
Oldie was not impressed atall, infact he appeared to be completely disgusted at this horrifying, 'bitey' pup. If pup even tried to sniff oldie, oldie would SCREAM and run away from him :(

Pups 'free space' became the kitchen and he was only allowed out of there on-lead for the first few weeks (apart from in the garden as that is more spacious), to help stop oldie feeling so over-whelmed. As they spent more & more (supervised) time together oldie started accepting pup, and instead of screaming with his proximity, he would do a big 'showy' telling-off when play got too rough.

Pup slept in the kitchen, oldie slept in the livingroom (baby-gate at kitchen door). I did not want pup upstairs with me as oldie could no-longer manage the stairs (didn't want him feeling left out) and pup was not meant to go up/down stairs it was too much of a struggle to carry him.  I also was enjoying having a dog-free bed - with oldie not being able to make the stairs, I was no-longer woken in the middle of the night by a huge weight on my chest - a dog!! So was not going to let pup get into the habbit of going upstairs. But whenever we get another pup I will be sleeping down stairs to help with toilet training!

I had the opposite problem re. food time. Despite oldie previously having food-guarding issues, he would step away from his bowl if pup went near him and allow pup to scoff the lot! So pup was fed in the kitchen and oldie fed in the hallway (which was easier for him as I could put his bowl on the bottom step of the stairs so his old bones didn't have so far to bend ). Oldies food was always put down first, in an attempt to teach pup that he'll ge this OWN food given to him when other anilmals get fed.

Pup used to love oldie and try to curl up in his bed with him, but for the 8 weeks(ish) oldie would jump out in disgust. Gradually he accepted this huge puppy laying in his bed with him. Sadly when acceptence of sharing his bed tuned into enjoyment, it didn't seem long before we had to say goodbye to oldie :( They had become fantastic friends in thier time together - it was a year, but felt like a blip.
Give your adult dog time, make sure pup can't over-whelm him and before you know it they will be getting along great :)

Sorry for all the waffle just wanted to reasure you that time & pateince works like magic :)

> I still havent had a shower

We too went from 2 dogs to 3 last autumn and I felt as though I spent weeks in my PJ's!!  I used to organise my day to ensure that the pup went back to bed for an hour or so in the morning and again in the afternoon, so that I could wash or eat in peace, however even that required a lot of effort as I won't put pups (or adult dogs) in crates until all their needs are met and they are ready for a sleep and already getting droopy. 

All 3 dogs have their crates in the utiity room, tucked under worksurface (where I once had cupboards!), and the adults didn't always have closed doors til the pup arrived.  However, for everyones safety and my peace of mind I did shut the doors whilst the pup was very young .  All my dogs go back to bed for an hour after walks, and to dry off, so they don't think it it odd at all and they get used to sleeping side-by-side but in their own safe space.  One of mine used to mutter under his breath and press himself onto the opposite side of his crate - away from the pup - but that didn't last too long as he soon realised that the way to get the pup to stop gurning at him was simply to pretend he hadn't noticed!!

Try ebay for secondhand crates.  I wouldn't recommend them to everyone but as an experienced owner you already know how to use them and you aren't likely to just stick your worrysome dog in there and ignore him are you!  It may well be worth letting your boy eat in his own crate though, they soon learn to relax knowing they cannot be challenged for food.  I feed mine together but with very precise positions, and a few open crate doors to provide barriers until I can trust them not to move.  I always watch them eat though and don't tolerate anyone peering into anothers bowl.  I want my slower dog to know that he can concentrate on his food and I'll manage the others so that he doesn't have to.  Nowadays though they rarely even bother to wait just go on into the garden when they've finished their own bowl.

Going from 2 dogs to 3 is quite a change isn't it :)

I'm about to go from 3 to 4, I must be mad!!! :-D I know Henry was disgusted when we first brought Ellie home, major sulks, but he soon got over it. George usually growls at a newcomer and then gives up and tries to ignore them. It will be most interesting to see what Ellie does as the only newcomer she has had to deal with is her own puppy who is nearly 11 months old now! I'm hoping Hetty and new puppy will become playmates and leave the older two in peace. :-)

> I am def going to keep him awayfrom here when he is eating as this seems to be a major isue for him. Being a pup she has no clue about manners yet and is all over the place saying "play play play",   She doesnt have the idea that if she is growled at backing off is a good idea yet"

I feed all mine together in the kitchen at various stations about 3 feet away from each other.  I stand referee in the middle ensuring new pup cannot go near the others while they eat and also ensuring they don't try to pinch hers when they finish.

In this way we have no meal time issues as ti is a strict rule that no-one interferes with anyone else's bowls and as each finishes the bowls are picked up, if they don't go and lie down in their basket after having a drink from the communal water bowl they re sent outside until everyone has finished.

This means they are relaxed about meals, and that they are safe from interference./

Puppy has very quickly learnt to eat hers just as fast.

Due to pup being fed more often the others get a biscuit when she gets her other meals.

My first dog had run or the house, but after I had two I decided upstairs was a no go area for them as it meant I had to vacuum dog hair less often up there.

Once we were over two, the dogs were restricted to kitchen only when I am out, as more dogs are inclined to wind each other up into silly play or barking.  In a more confined area they simply settle and snooze.

I now have 6 loose in the kitchen together ranging from 13 weeks to 13 3/4 years.  Until a week ago I still had the puppy pen up under the worktop (where dog baskets usually go) but as madam three days running had climbed out of it by morning it has been dispensed with, and we now have 3 baskets, one open crate and some large rubber backed mats for sleeping places in the day if left. 

At night the 3 youngest plus pup sleep two each (pup with strict but sensible grandma)in the double kennel (two baskets, and a bench with basket to choose from in each kennel), and the two eldest then have the choice of beds for the night. in the kitchen.

I would have your other dogs sleep in the kitchen with the pup who is crated, the pup will then benefit from their company, and the other dogs will be able to be less possessive of you.

I'd make sure that you give Whispa some good one to one time with him, so he doesn't feel pushed out either, as can always end up being the way when a new pupster comes in.
So far so good for mine, she's even told him off, lol.. And he's told her off too..
Time out in the crate is always a good one during the day so that Whispa can go about the house without the fear of this new needle toothed creature following him..

Nala decided she wanted to try and chew Kai's tail last night put a stop to that before she was told off, that WOULD of hurt him..

Its not all bad a couple of nifghts ago whispa was curled up by the sofa I was sitting on and Brooke came and curlled up to his bum and went to sleep. I am not sure he even notice. To be honest I thought all was fine except the food thing until speaking to the dog walker who was telling me how naughty he had been since Monday bullying others and had to be told off Thats what started me worrying
Mia sleeps in the kitchen where brooke is and whispa has always slept upstairs since he stopped being crated. I prefer to have Mia in a separate room to Whispa when we go out and at night just incase of accidents due to their sizes
I wont change his sleeping place and Brooke has got Mia in the same room
I really dont think I can risk feeding them together at the moment even with me standing between them he prefers to eat in the garden and if she comes even out the door 15ft away I will run towards her growling to see her off, that was my error by not realiing she could get out

When I brought our youngest into the house the other two were friendly at first, and then it dawned on them that he was staying. They made a point of staying out of his reach sitting on the sofa, wouldn't let the puppy on the bed and then decided if paper was good enough for the puppy then they'd all d*** well use paper, thanks very much...*SIGH*. They soon got the message that they were expected to act their age :)

I honestly can't remember how long it took them to settle3 down--about three days to let Bean sleep on the bed (but he had to have the bottom of the bed), and they were actually ok with food, to the point where Bean and Jack trade places enthusiastically to see what's left in the dinner bowl, although neither of them would ever try it with my oldest.

Keep a watch out for any grumbles you can help them to avoid, but otherwise I think they work through it pretty well without much trouble.

just seen whatI typed it is whispa that runs towards her growling not me lol

I'm reading this thread with interest because I'm collecting a new puppy tomorrow, and Piglet's nearly 12 and not used to puppies; mind you, neither are we any more! we've got used to having sensible older dogs (for the last year just the one dog) who don't chew, or mess, or steal things, that I'm sure there's something terribly important that I've forgotten to do.

Oh Jeangenie what good news for you and how exciting :)

Of course there's something you've forgotten, always is, but I doubt it'll be very important (I forgot toys and my pup made do with a bucket which became his most favourite thing!!)

Have a last night of peace before the whirling dervish arrives xxx

wish you luck with your new pup,and lots of fun!

Oh how lovely I bet after the shock wears off it will give piglet a renewed interest.

Have a wonderful day going to get your new puppy! There might be something important you've forgotten, but I bet it all comes back in seconds :)

Have a lovely time and I am sure you will have great fun a head. Dont forget to up date us,

> I'm collecting a new puppy tomorrow, and Piglet's nearly 12 and not used to puppies

How exciting :-D

What I found amazing was how my resident oldie seemed to gain a new lease of life when pup arrived. He became much more playfull again.
Even though he's been gone for over 2 years, I can't bring myself to replce my mangled tumble dryer hose, oldie galloped into the kithcen and tried dragging it off to play with :-D It's a constant reminder of his playfull side that faded away with age but re-appeared when pup came to live with us.

Your going to have so much fun :)