Would you do it.  There is nothing I can find in the KC rules against it.  To me it is unethical. 

Think it would put undue pressure on the judge and your exhibit, the judge would be dammed if they place your exhibit and your exhibit dammed if  unplaced.

No there is no rules on that but I would deffo not do it...wrong in my book

Like others have said it is not breaking any rules....except those unwritten ones that often count for so much more!! I would never do it, it would be unfair on the judge I feel.
Aileen

ring up the kennel club
there is a rule
plus if i was judging that a  dog show. my co -owner still cannot show the dog at the same show  in it breed class even if it a different judge

I think it would depend on the relationship one has with the other person, some dogs are only co-owed as the other person can't campaign the dog & some one else can, so both parties have their name on the dog, apart from that dog they may not have much contact etc

However some people have strong relationships & are good friends, i have a dog that is co-owed with his breeder but my other dog isn't, but as she's such a good friend I'd never take my other dog under her, i would put a complimentary entry in & would go to the show but not with the dog.
Think it all depends on specific breed "un written rules"

> ring up the kennel club
> there is a rule
> plus if i was judging that a  dog show. my co -owner still cannot show the dog at the same show  in it breed class even if it a different judge

I think you have misunderstood the question, the poster is asking about showing another dog under someone who you co-own a different dog with.

> "I think it would depend on the relationship one has with the other person.........."

Some breeders use joint ownerships solely to protect a dog from uncontrolled breeding and the resulting progeny being KC registered without their permission. If an endorsement is put on it would mean the dog cannot be bred from without entirely removing that endorsement. Keeping the dog in joint names means the dog can be bred from but both KC registered owners have to sign the KC Litter Registration Application form.

I know if you are judging your co-owner is not allowed to show under any judge at the same show.

> I know if you are judging your co-owner is not allowed to show under any judge at the same show

But what if you have 5 dogs all owney soley owned by you and one dog co-owned? Surely the only dog that can not be shown is the co-owned dog

Yeah it is only the co-owned dogs I believe.  Bit daft really especially if you don't know any of the judges and you are not showing. 

No i would not,i also think you shoud not be able to enter a dog if you have bought the dog ,been given a dog or used a dog or bitch for mating.From someone you know who judges. 

In numerically-small breeds that'd mean very few showing opportunities ...

LOL agree JG in our breed that would be almost all the breed judges and would mean most could only be shown under all rounders. The suggestion does seem to expect judges to be dishonest in some way, some may be but most are not. I goes without saying that a judge will like the dogs that conform to their idea of the breed standard so they will probably prefer animals they have their line in their pedigree, this is a matter of preference not dishonesty.

Totally agree.. it could be resonable in breeds with vast numbers but cause massive probs in numerically small breeds if tighter rules were ever introduced... We are a middling breed in terms of numbers and it probably wouldn't make too much difference if it wasn't allowed.

However it definitely does wind people up when they find out such and such gave such and such's dog the CC because they used it last month...!  But then people will always speculate..

> However it definitely does wind people up when they find out such and such gave such and such's dog the CC because they used it last month...!

Isn't it rather that the reason they used it last month, and gave it the CC is because they really rate the dog highly??? ;)

You wouldn't expect them to use a dog they didn't think was a good one would you?

Of course but any excuse to judge bash when you don't win hey? ;-)

This is also why some excellent judges whose opinions and interpretation of the breed standard is well known sometimes don't draw as good an entry as the judge who no-one has a clue what they will do.

I know which judge I prefer.

This is why the first kind of judge must not judge the breed too often so that there is time for a reasonable turnover in exhibits.

In a breed like mine once in 3 years in the same geographical location would be too often

I co own three dogs with a champ show judge, I also handle other peoples dogs.
Last year I handled a dog under the judge I co-own with ( this dog was nothing to do with mine or the judges breeding) and the remarks I got for it were quite hurtful.
The dog in question had a third in open, I trusted the judge to be an honest judge and she was.
I myself am giving CCs this year and I hope that any exhibitors entering under me do so because I am honest and unbiased.