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I was just being nosey and googling my kennel name and came across the PRA dna results for my dogs, which is fine...BUT the full dogs details are published including the KC reg number, D.O.B, parents....can this be right, I thought the reg no was never published in anything by the KC....It only seems to be for the DNA PRA or GPRA results but for any breed not just mine, I looked at ESS, Large Munsterlanders, Shelties  and all have the full details including the reg number, I then typed it into the KC website itself and lo and behold up it came again with full details....They never publish a dogs reg no in the BRS just the BRS code letters that the dog appears in...I do jope that this is a mistake I am not happy with my dogs reg number being available to everyone

Isnt this asking for trouble, anyone could take your dogs reg number and register a litter by them online as they dont check them all, all the false pedigrees etc that you hear of....

I will be phoning the KC in the morning......

It's all published in the Kennel club Breed records supplement for any one to see.

Not the full KC Registration Number though Barbara. The BRS just shows which BRS the dogs details were first registered.

I hadn't noticed the numbers until it was pointed out, but I agree that it could lead to falsification. All the more reason to get the BRS, or have someone you know who gets it, to check for your dogs name on a regular basis.

The results of the test are in the BRS, which is great, but I'd rather they didn't give the full reg. number.

Yes the test results are but NEVER the dogs KC registration number, not for any test result or even when registered, that number is private to the owner surely....the KC wouldnt give you that number out over the phone so why is it published..

I have just typed my dogs details into the site, and it does not give any of the reg no's.

Just looked at the DNA online results for my breed and hadn't actually noticed that it's the same for ours too... not amused. Surely it isn't necessary for the full reg no to be on there?  Think the KC needs to re-think that one.

Jenny, can you PM me the link to the page you are using.. when I type it into the KC public site, only the results come up, and for Dam & Sire.. No reg no's. 

Found it.. It looks like a file from Optigen has been sent to KC and a PDF file has been made direcly from this.. many of the results pre-date the KC acceptance of Optigen..

Diane, the reason I asked for PM, was so that it was not made even easier for just anyone to be able to view.. your link has now opened it up the the whole world lol...

It's deleted but seeing as it is open to the whole world any way don't really see the problem myself!

Because Diane if anbody can have your dogs KC reg number they can register a litter by your stud dog online as not all are checked, they can falsify pedigrees using the KC reg number for these dogs, it opens up all sorts of problems.......they have never given out reg numbers on anything before they are private to the owner of that dog and the breeder....

whoops another mistake the kc have made.

How many have really done that and got away with it I wonder?  Of course quite a few people have used champion dogs names of a totally different breed on another register.

Your doing it through the health test checker not the PDF list of DNA results that they do for each breed.  Will see if ours give the reg no's too.

Yep it has the stud book or reg no's against the results.

> Because Diane if anbody can have your dogs KC reg number they can register a litter by your stud dog online as not all are checked,

As far as I was aware all are supposed to be checked, and all those whose dogs I ahve used ahve been.

I've always had it checked via me too and where would the paperwork go of the litters, how easy is it for people to change your address details etc??  THough I do know of one litter that I myself didn't move the restrictions, though in reality would have done. 

Well so far the KC response is that as the KC number is put on the reg certificate and pedigree they regard that is in public domain....hardly...those things are passed to the new owners not for everybody to see...

As regards the letters being sent out, I have just checked with a friend whose stud dog was used recently and the bitch owner (another friend so no problem there) has had all the reg docs back from the KC after doing it online and no letter to the stud dog owner, this happned last year too a bitch that i bought the stud dog owner never had a letter from the KC, I have just registered a litter online and have asked her to tell me if she gets the letter this time....

A friend with TT's has spoken to her friends about it and some of them have not had letters, it is hardly a 100% safeguard against fraud and that is before the KC reg numbers are published on the WWW for anybody to use...

I think it is a breach of privacy and i dont want my dogs numbers pulished...

I have always been notified if my dog has been named as Sire.. and when I Used Ollie last year.. the KC notified me of this too.. even though he was my own dog...

The letters are not sent manually.. they are computer generated, so are automatically sent out.. However.. I do know of one letter that got 'lost' in the postal system.. and did get to Stud owner 2 months later.. Letter was dated correctly... so we know it was Postal and not KC error

well latest reply is that my comments have been passed onto the senior registration team, in other words a cop out, if any of you feel strongly enough that you do not want your dogs full KC reg number on the site, I suggest that you too complain, maybe if enough of us do they will take them off.....after all why should they be on there.....

All my dogs results are listed, and I personally don't see any problem with it, I think it's nice to be able to check the status of a dog/bitch on the official Optigen results list.

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It's not the listing that's the problem. It's the fact that the KC is showing the registration number. This can then be used by anyone who wants to breed a litter :-( Even if the said parent is not involved in the litter in any way :-( :-(

when i did aon line regist of a litter last year i send the deatils of at 9 am by 12 aemail back stateing i couldnt have one of the name choose another reply back,by 4pm the puppies were regist 24 hours got the papers by post

i dont think the the stud owner of this litter recived a letter stating a litter  was regist on line the sire was her dog,
and i know that one of my swd stud dog didnt get a letter stating the litter he sired with a swedish swd was register on line to no letter staing this either.
so theres a loop hole there to,
what i do i alway take the registed form with me or have one to be sign by both parties to register the litter on litter and to keep this afe in the litter file just incase there a problem later.

That is what your supposed to do, but this business of letters not reaching stud owners needs to be addressed urgently.

Our breed club include all the BRS info in our yearly journal, but that doesn't come out until 3/4's of the following year has gone.  Is there a time limit for stud owner to object/query?

Just to let everyone know the chap at the KC who needs to be spoken to regarding this will be at Leeds Champ show all weekend on the KC stand and available to talk to.  I just spoke to the KC and they said to see him there if going.

I really do not see the problem in publishing the registration number, surely this is the dogs "personal number" that identifies each dog from the others(there could be very similar names about).
Surely the problem is not publishing the reg.number but how the online registration system works? (or whole registration system?)

In Finland we have public database where you can see everything from to show results of each dog, pedigree, siblings, offspring and their results, chip number (all dogs must be chipped to be registered).
Even reason of death is recorder after the dog dies(if owner provides it).
You can also search by a breeder and on one screen get all health results of all litters they have bred, same with individual dogs - with one click you can get health data off all offspring of a dog.
You can do trial pedigrees by finding your bitch and then entering the dogs reg number in a field and you have it, pedigree the puppies would have including inbreeding coefficients etc.

I think this database is great and very useful, I wish UK KC would do something similar!

I think we should be able to put date of death on the KC website also, to prove that many "pedigrees" live long lives!

I love looking at the Finish and Swedish websites which shows all of the dogs data.  Plus helped me to show that my Lastar's BVA hipscore did not follow through in his offspring abroad.

> In Finland we have public database

I love the Koiranet database, and was able to check all sorts of stuff on the dog I used there.

I knew how many litters he had sired, to what bitches, what their ehalth status was, theri wins etc.

I think you should be able to see the results.  Helps you make a better informed choice and not chasing a bad dog.

Nobody is disputing results being available.  I still do really query how many pedigrees have been used and in reality could you stop that? 

Ah but if there was an Open database anyone trying to falsely use your stud dog as the sire would be spotted by the owner, as it should be a real time database updated as registrations occur.

Anyone with stud dogs could check their dogs details and find all the litters he has sired, whose bitches and how many pups and their names etc.

I am sure the Kennel Club would have fewer BRS sales, but so what.