Hello everyone. As i write this i have daisy on her back spread over my knees a sleep and poppy spread across my lap asleep ! Igot Poppy 1 wk ago aged 15wk. This is a little older than i usually get ( 10 wk max with my other 2 as at that age i find it easier to housetrain ect) When we went to get Poppy she came in with  her sisters mum,dad and grandad which was great. They all looked heathy and fit and very playful. I asked if Poppy and sisters where house trained she said yes we asked if she was use to the Crate she said yes. (as 1 of them weed infront of us right by the ladys feet on her carpet ! ) We chose poppy and took her home her puppy pack was lovely (brand new bed/lead and coller ect ). Well from getting in the car she was sick 3 times , got her home and for the next few days we had accident after accident ( poos and wees ) all over the house so we just put it down to a new home, different set up ( more doors more rooms ect ) overnight poos and wees in her crate ( we always take her out last thing at night for the toilet , we go out with her after a sleep, after eating and drinking, but it seems like she just will not listen. We can be outside 10min with her and she wont do anything but as soon as she comes in she does her toilet then ! So i rang a few friends to discuss what is happening and we came to the conclusion Poppy must have been in kennels and left to do her stuff without any guidence from her breeders. As i write this today we have had little progress, she now wees or poos at the doors instead of anywhere so she is listening to a point ! I have 2 other dogs who are 100 % house trained and Poppy goes out with them to the toilet but just ends up trying to play with them instead of picking up the routine from them. I have read that if Pups have been left to kennels where they can do the toilet and where they eat and sleep that it is harder to house train them. This morning (6am) i came down to start our day when i went to the kitchen to let them all out of there crates Poppy was jumping up covered in poo and wee, newspaper ripped up with poo and wee scattered all over her crate. So please i need more guidence on how to beak this cycle ! We go on holiday this sat and we always take our babys with us, the cottage we use lets pets stay but im worried about poppy ( leaving poppy behind is not an option ) weeing and pooing all over the cottage. All advice would be very much welcomed from you. Thanks Jenny. x 

She may not have been kennelled, it could well just be the change in routine.
Whenever we have ahd a pup we 'camp' in the kitchen for a couple of weeks, until we are confident the pup knows where to go to toilet, or to ask to go out to toilet (the door is in the kitchen to go outside) The kitchen also has a washable floor which makes life easier. The pup is allowed to explore only when running on empty and only for short periods of time when running on empty!!! :)
It sounds like this would be the best option with you pup...stay in one room (that leads outside) with the pup and whenever pup heads in the direction of the door, out you go. Your pup is starting to get the idea by the sound of it so hopefully it shouldn't take long.
I would also set the alarm to get up earlier than pup is currently waking you, so you can wake pup up to let pup out before pup does anything ;)

Puppies are like young chilren. They suddeny realise they need to go NOW! and can't wait until they get outside. Poppy is still young and is just learning that she must hold it in a bit longer. When you take the dogs outside I would let the adults back in but stay out with Poppy until she does something. Ignore her until she does, but give her lots of praise when she does. Teach her to go on command. My dogs are all taught 'busy' and 'hurry up'. These words are used in association of when they are actually doing the needful, so that they associate the words with what they are doing.

The fact that you had so much bother in the first place is probably due to change in her lifestyle. Pups tend to take a few steps backwards in all training when there is a major change in their lives.

As has already been said, limit her fre running time until you know she is empty, but be prepared to rush out with her at a moments notice. Housetraining is a chore, but it is worth taking the time now. ;-)

ETA: Had to rush off to get daughter up for school! Anyway, just to let you know, I have a 3 year old bitch here that wasn't fully housetrained until she was over 6 months old She was born here so I know that there wasn't any outside influence. Each pup is different, and Poppy will get there in the end.

What time do you settle your pup at night time? It may be necessary to take her out one more time after this and then take her out again very early (5am?) so that the length of time between being taken out is far less than at the moment. As she learns to hold her wee this gap will get longer until eventually she will go all night. Maybe you are expecting her to go all night but like a human baby they cannot hold their wee or poo for that long, so just shorten the gap for a while, it may seem a chore but this stage passes quite quickly really.

Remember also breeds can vary- some toy pups can take months and some never fully get there.

Thanks everyone for your imput im going to put in place what you have all said . So watch this space. LOL

Forgive me, I've read your post in its entirity but not everyone elses, so if I'm duplicating sorry.

First thing from your post ... DO NOT put newspaper in her crate. If she has been trained to toilet on paper, or that's what's been put down for her as a pup, then she'll use it.

Secondly how big is your crate? If it's an adult size crate it's too big. You must use a puppy size crate to start with. Don't need to go out and buy a separate crate, just block off the bigger crate, if that's what it is, some how. Generally a pup even will not want to toilet in it's bed. If crate is only big enough to sleep in, that's what it will do in it. If it is adult size it can sleep one end, use other end as toilet. They're clever these dogs :-)

Thirdly, if you do not want her weeing and pooing all over then place then do not let her have access to all these areas. A pup does not need the freedome of the whole house as soon as it arrives. Limiting to one area is the best thing, even to the point of a puppy pen if you are not going to supervise her every second of the day. If you can't supervise her constantly then you can't watch the signals for when she needs to toilet ... quite often sniffing and circling. In the States a training line is very popular, you basically attach the pup by a long lead to you so where you go puppy goes ... this enables you to watch and be ready. I've never used one but I believe they can be quite useful.

Then you need to think about the animals you've had before you. How many of those have weed on your carpets over the years? Maybe an older incontinent dog. You may well think you've cleaned up well, but the smell will go right though and stays there for years. My living room carpet is ancient, I don't stand a chance when a new dog comes into the household.

Do you let her out with the other dogs when you think she wants to toilet? If you do & she's anything like mine then she'll be far too busy getting involved in what they're doing to even think about toilet herself ... quite often only remembered when back in the house! Take her out on her own, walk her round the garden on a lead and when she goes to toilet lots of praise. Take some of her poo and put into a place in the garden where you want her to toilet, leave it down until she gets used to that spot for toileting.

Watch her after her meals. I find with pups they need to go out instantly they come out of crate (initially I carry them out to avoid accidents), immediately after playing, sleeping, and with my last pup it was around 15 mins after a meal that she needed to toilet. Before bed, and with all my pups, whether 8 weeks or 4 months, I've set my alarm for the middle of the night (3am ish) for the first few nights, extending the time so that within a week they're up at the same time as me. I do this to allow for a previous kennelling environment.

At 15wks I don't think she should be any more difficult to house train than an 8wk pup, I've housetrained adult dogs in a short period of time, I think you just need to evaluate what you're doing with her. It may well be that the breeder hasn't housetrained her, not all would expect to. Also look at what time you're feeding her last thing at night, you need to get that so that she's ready to eliminate either before going to bed, or on waking.

I'm sure it'll work out, just look at what you're doing, don't expect so much of her - a lot of changes have happened and she is just a baby - and maybe there's a bit of lack of memory retention on your part? :-) This is said kindly, I've always found it easy to think past dogs have been perfect, and even though I've got a 10month gap between 2 of my dogs, even after that short time it was amazing what I'd forgotten and quite often found myself saying "ah yes, I did such and such, that's why she's not got it right".

Good luck ... patient, continuity, routine and perserverance!

my last dog was a six month that was only kept in a kennel and although we had a few accidents and weeing on her bed for quite a while everything sorted itself out over a few weeks.
i treated her as if she were a new puppy and took her out every hour or if she looked like she was going to do something. i also took her out on her own to toilet and not with the other dogs for quite a while, so she concentrated on what i wanted from her and didn't come back in until she had done something. this could take a while sometimes.
i also used a command when she went to wee etc and she soon started to go to the toilet or at least start sniffing round the garden when i used this command. also lots of praise and treats for good toileting and ignore any accidents.

Well i set my alarm for 5am i slept in the living room while poppy and my other 2 where asleep in there crates in the kitchen. Poppys crate is a puppy crate other 2 have large ones. Well i got woken up at 4am by poppy crying so loudly i thought the whole neighbour hood would ave been banging at my door, lol . So ran in the kitchen and yep you guessed it she was covered in poo and wee,so got her out gave her a cuddle and set about cleaning ! Then i went to poppy who was in the living room to find poppy snoring her head off,woke her and gave her a bath. But the good news is all yesterday and evening she did nothing  in the house she did everything outside which was brilliant. So she has started to get it, and i know i have a long way to go yet but with the success of yesterday do you think she has started too think "oooh  " to doin the buisness in he crate ? And trialist you was right i had "forgot " about my other two Freddie just took 2 weeks to train when he was a baby but Daisy well she took 6 mths ! And it was always overnight in her crate ! My husband had to remind me of that but when he did it all came flooding back lol. So thanks everyone for your advice, tomorrow morning im going to set my alarm for 4am ! See if i can get to her before she does ! xxx

The main point is dogs don't generalise, so she may well have been well on the way to housetraining at the breeders, but your home is different and the training starts from scratch.  also of course a 15 week old puppy isn't physically mature enough for full control.

My puppies have access to outdoors from 4 - 4 1/2 weeks and very quickly choose to toilet outside given the opportuntiy, but I would never claim or expect them to be housetrained.

It will come! I think you're right aiming to get up a bit before she wakes, it's not like you've got to do it for ever, I just gradually increase the time each day ... within a week or 2 we're all getting up at the same time! I know some people say you set a precedent for getting up forever in the middle of the night, but it's certainly not something I've found.
Good luck and enjoy her :-)