Hello Bec here! Just a warning about a new commercial breeding establishment has been approved in scotland. It has been alleged that some of the dogs that have been stolen recently have been making their where up there!
Am hoping will be able to post under my own name in the not too distant future.
TTFN

Hi Bec,
You can sign in from anywhere online.... or is it a work issue? ;) We miss ya!!!! :D :D :D
toodles

Righty oh Bec. I'll start watching out for it in the local papers, free ads etc.

Hi Bec..

Pam :-)

Hi Bec, or Phillipa, where abouts in Scotland please, as you know I live there, and we are fighting our council at the moment, as they have just approved a breeders license for someone who buys in lots of different breeds from Ireland or abroad, this was in the national papers at the weekend.

i just have a phone call from a lady wanting two bitch from my litter,she rang from scotland this makes you think about where the puppies go's to, you try to do your home work by finding out all details about them but some peole will lie to get what they want,,but i would not sell two puppies to the same people,but there are every nice people out there too,so you just have to beware of the situartion that go's on.

I too have been watching this situation. I am DISGUSTED at his gaining his licence which he paraded in his usual advert this week. Last week he advertised NINE breeds available - amazing and to my mind suspicious right away. I am even more amazed at the vet who is issuing health certificates to clearly sick puppies. People like this must be stopped. To my knowledge he has advertised in the Daily Record and Ad Trader and he is in AYRSHIRE. It also said the pups are coming in via Ireland from the continent, this may pose health risks and one has to wonder how on earth they are transported.

All I would advise is that anyone thinking of buying a pup please does not fall for the seemingly amazing prices. Always remember a good breeder has nothing to hide. I must admit that I got my own dog from kennels. He is the second dog I have had from there and both have been wonderful. The man from whom I bought my dog showed us around his premises and made it clear that he had nothing to hide. Believe me if he had been dodgy I would have been out of there so fast! He was aware of cruelty issues like docking which he's against, and has us sign an agreement to take our pup to the vet within 24 hours, and if he was ill we could return him and be refunded or choose another pup. So really finally, don't be afraid to ask questions, if you don't like the answers walk away, do the same on the phone. A responsible person such as the man I described will always tell you where the pup was from, who bred it and will ask you questions to make sure the right dog goes to the right person.

Puppy farms must be stopped and its time an internet and high profile public campaign was mounted to do so. We owe it to the poor dogs pups and prospective owners who fall victim to these deplorable dispicable people.

If I am reading you right Kirsty you are saying that the person you bought your puppy from could tell you who bred it and from where, if so I am afraid to say that that is a dealer, he may well keep the puppies in reasonable conditions and 'have nothing to hide' but he is not showing you the conditions that the pups were bred in or travelled in to reach him. Many puppy farmers do not dock, now whether that is because they regard it a cruel or because it costs money to get a vet to do it (or risk investigation if they do it themselves) I would not like to say ;) :)

Afraid that was my reaction as well, Kirsty. You just bought from a dealer; as simple as that.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

I'm confused Kirsty - you are against puppy farming yet you have directed at least two enquiries to adverts on the Adtrader site. I would never advise people to look for a puppy on sites like these - all the big puppy producers & dealers advertise on them & they are not the sort of sites to find a quality, well-reared puppy from parents who have had the relevant health-screening tests (although of course, you may be lucky) It's good that you are happy with your own purchases from a dealer but you have been lucky - presumably you didn't see your dogs' parents & I would doubt they come from eye-tested stock (pretty important with Poodles I would have thought) but if your dogs are healthy & happy, then you have been lucky - others who buy from dealers & commercial kennels are not so fortunate sadly :-(

Jane

so kirsty. youd buy from a dealer, but yet your anti docking :rolleyes: --well in excactly the opposite !!!! id NEVER EVER buy from a dealer, and im pro docking, !!! i know which puppy is likley to of suffered more- let me think ???? could it be the one booted off to a dealer /puppy farmer!!! or the one that had its tail docked!-answers on a stamp please :(

Oooooo dizzy!! :D

Hi Dizzy

The two are not mutually exclusive

Christine
not a dealer and anti-docking :)

Kellis - quote from your post "puppy farms must be stopped" yet you said the RESPONSIBLE person you bought your puppy from could tell you 'where the puppy was from" that you were buying!!! One of the best ways to stop puppy farming is not to buy from the dog dealers who are the chief customers! No market place - no farmed puppys, simple equation. If you feel so strongly about this issue, why on earth did you buy a puppy from anywhere but its breeders?
Gwen

The RESPONSIBLE person handing over he pup should have been the breeder and not a third party!

kellis 7479
I am interested in the person in Ayreshire that you wrote about and anyone else involved in this deplorable trade as I collate information on puppy farms/dealers traders and pet shops. I would be interested in any info you can provide or anyone else relating to these issues please.
What licence has this person been given, a pet shop licence? I have much info on breeders in Ireland involved in puppy farming, if this person is buying from Irelad or the 'continent?' - that is a first! I do wonder how that one operates.
Pat

Hi Pat

I would be interested in any information you come across relating to Dobermanns if you are able to share

Christine

Hi Christine, only too happy to share info relating to Dobermanns, however at the moment there is nothing of concern in that field to share at the moment. I will Keep in touch.
Pat

Hi Pat, A fairly comprehensive report about this case on pg.2 of this weeks Dogs World. Apparently a whole load of local complaints about the granting of a BREEDING licence, and the council has said that just becasue he is known to have already been operating without a licence is not reason not to give him one now (which does make a sort of twisted sense, in Local Authority regulation land:)) Both enviromental health officers and an independent vet have OK'd the conditions. No mention of pet shop licence, which would be necessary for the dog dealing aspect. It looks like the council are not happy about the application, but there hands are tied becasue of the wording or the application/regulations. They have said no licence will be granted pending building permission and listed building approval.
Gwen

Hi Gwen, thank-you I will get a copy of Dog World in the morning, I did not notice anything in Our Dogs but I will check when I come off the computer.
Again a Council has issued a licence instead of prosecuting for operating a pet shop (buying in and reselling) without a licence.
Why do Councils always (mostly) take this easy option? No doubt thinking of the costs involved to take a person to Court, to issue a licence is cheaper. This should not be happening and it makes me really cross when Councils encourage the trade of selling puppies.
I will read the article then make further judgement. The Council, can place conditions on a licence that make it expedient to the purpose of the Act if they feel it is necessary to do so. They can make it quite difficult for a person applying for a breeder or pet shop licence application if this wish to do so but the pressure needs to be on the Council by those that oppose the application, much depends if it is a Council that listens and is concerned enough to take that extra interest from a welfare point of view. However this is something they do not have to take into account when issueing a licence. They will look at the buildings accomodating the animals, fire, safety, disease free area for food and very little else. They have no interest in the applicant or where the puppies come from in terms of a pet shop licence, they will determine the density numbers of puppies and inspect prior to a licence being issued and once yearly thereafter.
It is a very very inadequate system
Pat

For everyone, We cant say too much about this "dealer" at the moment, as there is a report gone to the local Procurator Fiscals office about him, the police have been investigating as well, also local trading standards,.so a lot of things are a bit "hush, hush". He did not have an advert in the Daily Record this week, the ad you saw was a relation who is operating another dealership in a different part of Ayrshire so there are two, not one, being investigated.