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By kezza
Date 19.03.10 11:44 UTC
Can anyone help my new dog keeps weeing when i kick him out for being annoying with my other dog can anyone help he is nearly 3 years old and a husky

Assuming that this is a genuine question ... in what way is he 'being annoying' with your other dog? How long have you had him?
It sounds as though he's very fearful in a new environment and is urinating submissively (or through fear) when he feels threatened. If you are proactive and make sure that he has no opportunity to 'be annoying' (a description of his actions would be helpful) to your other dog you'll have no need to punish him and then he'll have no need to wee.
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 12:11 UTC
we only had him a week and he is a full dog and we have a bitch that he is always after he does go and lie down but the bitch barks and tries biting him i dont want him getting hurt

When you say full dog do you mean entire? It could mean he is territory marking.
>the bitch barks and tries biting him i dont want him getting hurt
Then why does
he get 'kicked out'? Is the bitch used to living with another dog? It can take several weeks for them to get used to sharing a space without feeling threatened.
When you say he's always 'after' her, does he want her to play with him, or what?
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 12:20 UTC
yer intire its just wen we leave him in the house or kick him out the room will he stop if he is just marking

If it's territorial marking he'll stop when he feels confident and secure in his new environment.
What do you use to clean up after him? You need to use a solution of biological laundry powder/liquid which will remove the lingering odour of urine. If you use anything containing bleach it will only encourage him to wee in the same place again.

Is your bitch spayed. If not is she due in season.
Many males who aren't used to living with bitches or when with a strange bitch will act sexy towards her as they are over excited, especially is they are young or inexperienced with bitches.
Your bitch telling him off if he is being a sex pest will be far better than your frightening him, as it will be language he is designed to understand.
If she is a well socialised bitch of good temperament, she may send him ff with a flea in his ear, but won't hurt him (other than his ego).
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 12:36 UTC
no we use fairy liquid and have used vanish and fairy on the side of couch bed we are looking at aybe leting him stud has he has already had to litters of pups but looking up bout it first and mybe let the bitch have a litter and get them dun
Kezza, you have got to be winding us up???!!!!!!!
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 12:59 UTC
hu wot u mean winding u up?

Unless the dog and your bitch have both had all the necessary health test required then it would be highly irresponsible to allow them to breed. I would suggest you get the dog castrated as soon as possible and your bitch spayed at a suitable time. They'll be much happier pets, and your lives will be a lot easier. When was she last in season?
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 13:13 UTC
she has not long finished one

Three months after she finished her season would be ideal.
Have you heard yourself? It may have been a good idea to do your research BEFORE you got the dog and i dont appreciate the wording you have used. You 'kick your dog out when it gets annoying' ??
By Carrington
Date 19.03.10 13:24 UTC
Edited 19.03.10 13:32 UTC
:-D Pretty sure this is a WUM, however, have you had a good read at the beginning of the breeding topics with regards to whether people should breed from their dog or bitch? Have you or better still can you read through and then decide as to whether you feel your bitch and dog are worthy of bringing anything to the breed.
Re: The dog urinating, when you are removing him from the room where your bitch is, due to him trying to mount her (yes? or bothering her as you put it) as already said, could be fear, could be excitement or could be territorial marking. However if he only does it when you are telling him off and removing him, I would concur that it is likely to be fear.
Bitches generally rule the roost, so leave her to tell him off (I take it they are both Huskies?) interfere if she is looking stressed otherwise she will sort him out with a good snarl and body language, he will soon learn to show respect.
What ages are the dog and bitch? Do not use fairy liquid etc to make a dog behave, if you use negative training methods you'll end up with a negative reaction, have you been squirting things at him when removing him, to be honest if you have no wonder he is urinating, I'm sure you would if someone came after you with a fairy liquid bottle. :-( Sorry just realised the fairy liquid was for cleaning up his urine, not as a punishment - aplogies.
Use praise and reward to get your dogs to do as you want. If there are seperate behavioural issues you can list them and we can give you positive training methods for each problem.
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 14:11 UTC
as regards kicking him out i only tell him out let him chill and let him back in they are both really good and i have done research nothing but research i asked about the peeing i'm not miss treating my animal and only tell him to go out wen the two off them are really going at one another

I recommend the snip, it may help to improve his marking and stop him pestering the bitch. It will also be a lot easier when she comes into season again, you won't have to worry about keeping them separate. The bitch can be spayed 3 months after her season.
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 14:21 UTC
hey thanks yer i do use fairy and i dont punish him with sprays they are both husky the male we have papers for and he has had towo litters with his previous owners wich we seen one litter he is really fussy and i have just ressolved one problem of him not eating by letting the dogs eat either side of the saftey gate i will bear with it and try and let them get use two one another and use more apprasly with him make him feel more welcome the bitch is a year old and the male is nearly 3 i wouldnt be breeding till next year anyways but with him having 2 litters already was gonna stud him after the health checks were dun he has full papers
> i have done research nothing but research
Apart from general research as to what a breeders responsibilities are, what health screening tests (a minimum of Eye testing and Hip scoring) a breed requires, and what qualities at a minimum, such proving worthiness in the work field and/or showring, you will know If you have been doing research you will realise there is a huge rescue problem with Huskies and people thinking it would be nice to breed them,a nd other people buying the pups because they are so attractive.
Huskies are a specialist working breed, they can be kept purely as pets by those who understand their needs and drives and can provide the work they are bred for or suitable alternatives to keep them happy and stimulated.
this is not what the average pet buyer can provide, so responsible breeders have to be very careful with choosing the few suitable kinds of homes for this breed.
Sadly there are plenty of people who produce puppies and give no after sales service (which should be lifelong), and are willing to sell to anyone willing to buy. Often the owners do not have suitable situations or knowledge and the pups (or more often young adults) end up in rescue with few suitable new homes to go to.
I met such a puppy who was taken to the Vets to be Put to Sleep at just 12 weeks old, luckily the Vet knew someone responsible in the breed to find him a home, as his breeder wasn't interested!
> with him having 2 litters already was gonna stud him after the health checks were dun he has full papers
Why did his previous owner let the dog go to a new home? What kind of person could they have been (irresponsible) allowing stud use of a dog without health clearances.
I take it he didn't work or show him.
At a year old you will have at least two more seasons to cope with (she shouldn't be bred from until around 3, and only if she is a superior example of the breed with something to offer the breed other than more puppies) with an entire dog in the house, if you find it annoying now then it will be a nightmare then.
Best advice is to get your bitch spayed before her next season about 3 months after the start of the last one she has just had.
Could you really face the responsibilities of teaing back and homing up to 8 puppies, which is what you should be prepared to do, and do you have the knowledge to support the puppy owners in bringing up puppies of this breed to adulthood? Helping with exactly the kind of questions your asking yourself about house training, dog interaction etc????
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 16:17 UTC
I no this and are willing to take that in to account wen deciding and will get the checks dun have dun the research just discussing the facts and that and how were gonna do it i'm willing to help find homes and will not stud round xmas as they will be going mainly as presents and know most places dont rehome around tht time anyways
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 16:20 UTC
my mum has delt with breed sheep dog and is willing to help and be on stand by and we will get the checks dun wen needed
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 16:22 UTC
like u said will have a year and moreto get the answeres to help peop bring up the puppies the best possible way

If I were you I'd forget about the male regarding breeding with your bitch. It is highly likely they will not be a suitable pair. You will find this out when you do your research. Get your girl out to some shows. Only if she proves to be a good type according to the breed and her health tests are all excellent then can you consider breeding her.
By triona
Date 19.03.10 16:26 UTC
Its only been a short while since he has been in your home, Id ask weather he had toilet issues with the previous owners as this might shed some light onto the subject, as others have said there are lots of reasons why he could be doing this.
It sounds like you are not coping with him at the moment, if you breed with him it could get even worse, e.g. marking more, aggression towards other male dogs etc. If were you id would just get him done as this might sort out some of his problems.
Sorry its not the advice you want to hear but its probably the best option for you both.
By kezza
Date 19.03.10 16:47 UTC
I will i wil i was just seeing if there was anythink else to do other than cleaning with fairy liquid i will give a couple of weeks i have seen him with previous pups and he has been with my mums dog wich is male and he was fine so will wait and see what happens give him a month or so to settle and put sum weight on anyways

Not being awful but I'd have him done. His previous owners can't have thought much of him or he wdn't be with you now. Does you bitch have KC papers?
What did you get this dog for?
He's only been with you for a week, he's struggling to settle and all I've heard is what you want to *use* him for. Poor lad has obviously not been a loved pet (or his previous owners would not have rehomed him), and he's also been used to sire two litters without the necessary health checks being done. None of these are signs of a well cared for, much loved dog and suggest he may not have had the best start in life.
If you genuinely want to do the right thing for him, give him some time and space to adjust. Use baby gates to give the dogs some distance from each other and keep him confined to areas that are easier for you to keep clean until his marking reduces.
You can control inappropriate weeing with training too. A well trained, well adjusted boy will always move along if asked. I don't let mine mark certain things (bins, cars, lamp posts etc) when out and about. He doesn't mind - I just say 'not there' and keep walking.
Check the
Association of Pet Dog Trainers website for a good reward based class. Training is not only very helpful for the dogs sake but gives you a bit of one to one time and a chance to bond with him.
By lab007
Date 20.03.10 10:41 UTC
This is a wind up, yeah? Have you ever heard of punctuation, grammar or spelling?
Sorry I don't know how to quote.... can someone advise me how to do it please??
Did I read correctly "they will be mainly going as presents" :( Buy them something that doesn't need life long commitment, that's my advice.
By Noora
Date 20.03.10 12:36 UTC
Edited 20.03.10 12:39 UTC
>will not stud round xmas as they will be going mainly as presents>
I believe Kezza is saying not to stud around christmas as people would be buying them to be presents...
From this I think you are wanting to be responsible but you really are going the wrong way & need to learn a lot more before even thinking about breeding.
If you have a KC registered bitch, try showing/working her and seeing how she does, you will also be able to learn and meet other people with huskies.
Then if your girl does well and you an maybe find somebody who can mentor you, you need to find a suitable male.
You do not need to have a male yourself and it is actually very unlikely the male you have is a good match for your own bitch.
You might find out your girl is not actually quality to breed from but if you still wish to breed, you have now made contacts in the breed and can hopefully acquire a quality puppy. Most people getting their first dog do not have the knowledge/contacts to get a dog that is good enough to breed from and I would think most people here have started with having a "pet" of their chosen breed and over the years progressed to dreaming of breeding and then purchasing a puppy and hoping the puppy grows up to be a good specimen of the breed. If you purchase a puppy from a good breeder you will also have their support behind you and you can learn a lot from such person.
Responsible breeding is done to better the breed, it is very irresponsible act to just churn out puppies for the sake of it, especially in a breed like husky.
You will not be able to better the breed if you do not know enough about the breed and also have an idea of what you are aiming to do.
Have a look here:
http://www.shwauk.org.uk/new_page_1.htm this is what is happening to the breed due to too many being bred and wrong kind of homes buying a husky.
You do not want to be part of the problem.
If your dogs are not KC registered, get them neutered/spayed and stick around here, learn more and start again with a KC registered puppy you can show/work and go from there. From reading your post I assume you are quite young? so you have plenty of time to learn and do it right.
Apologies I misread what was written re using a stud around Christmas.
The fact that this dog has been used at stud is the reason for his scent marking in the house,a good reason for not using a pet dog as a stud unless you are prepared for any consequences.I had a similar problem with scent marking with one of my dogs and the only thing that sorted it was castration.
As others have said there's a huge problem with huskies being overbred at the moment-and there's a good chance if you do breed from your 2 you won't be able to sell the puppies.
As for cleaning up after his weeing-Simple Solution is brilliant.
> This is a wind up, yeah?
I do sincerely hope so. :-(

I am really not getting this - I hope and pray this is a wind up!

">Poor lad has obviously not been a loved pet (or his previous owners would not have re-homed him),<
Dogs a babe. Can't believe you've said this. How can you make such a wide sweeping statement after reading all the posts showing much soul-searching and heart-break when discussing and coming to a decision over re-home. People re-home much loved pets for many reasons; many of these being that they love their pets very much so and only want the best lives possible for them, and their other 'much loved pets'.

I'm not too technical on this and often mess it up but, it's something like:
click on reply then you'll see both your reply space and the post you want to reply to
there will be an icon/image - " [quotation marks] at the bottom. You can highlight certain parts of the post you want to quote, then click on this, or just click on this for the whole post to be quoted. There's a bit more finesse once you get to use it, but I get by this way - usually LOL.
>Dogs a babe. Can't believe you've said this. How can you make such a wide sweeping statement
Heidi2006 - Yes I can see your point if the only measure of my judgement was that he was rehomed. However, I'm not convinced that allowing him to sire two litters without any health checks is the sign of a caring and concientious (previous) owner. But you're right it may be nothing to do with not loving him...
I'm a supporter of rehoming dogs to ensure they get the best care available - in many circumstances the owners needs definitely come second to the dogs welfare. I still question the previous owners level of love and care that they sell their dog to a new owner to use for breeding.

Hi dogsababe - I agree with most of your advice/judgements. Maybe you only made this statement to try to shock the OP into sitting up and taking notice. Maybe I'm too sensitive on the subject of re-homing. Having re-homed one myself a couple of years ago, it is still painful to me and think it will be to others who have also been down this road.

There is rehoming and there is rehoming !!! I would certainly never let an animal go to a home unless I was absolutely sure that the new owner knew and understood the breed and their needs, and I felt could offer a loving home for the right reasons.
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