Alf went for his booster Monday fortnight, and about 3 days after ended up with the squits, was thinking it might be a reaction to the booster, but then two days later Tess was the same.

Thought they might have picked something up from the vets, so did the usual - no food for 24 hours then boiled chicken and rice and see how they go.

Anyway, Tess seems to have got better, and yesterday so did Alf. But then this morning there's a lovely pile waiting for me outside....

So was then thinking well, perhaps its the heat they're not used to and so on.

THEN, discovered Tess going up to the corner of the neighbours fence, which in hindsight they've both been doing for a while (was thinking they were after eating the long bits of grass coming through the fence).

On further investigation, I have found a round dark disc shape of solid dead fly bodies!! Eugh!!!!
But there's a section missing, eaten I reckon, by my two dozy dogs!!! Offending item has now been removed.
But I just wondered what brand of fly killer it could be that my neighbour has disposed of carelessly, and that my dogs have been eating (why???) and to what detrement??????

Any idea's appreciated.

~ Dogs back on chicken and rice, but if Alf still squitty will starve him again. I do have a vets appointment for Monday, so will take the dead fly disc with and see what they think, I'm going to knock at the neighbours tomorrow and ask what the brand is.....bearing in mind that we're now in Australia, I wondered if anyone had any idea of different brands used for fly killing?

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would really appreciate any idea's people might have, could this be the cause of the upset stomachs do you think?

DEFINITELY! Pesticides can wind up killing dogs if the amount ingested is too great. Sadly enough (and disgustingly) dead flies reek and apparently make tasty treats for dogs. Generally anything that stinks attracts them, case in point when they roll around ever so happily in fecal matter etc.

There's several different types of fly killer. Some of the "on contact" ones are used in diluted amounts in fly sprays commonly used on horses. Drinking them will make you sick but not kill you (as I found out when 2 year old child drank a full bottle and I called the poison hotline)

The one your dogs most likely got into is; pyrethrin which is also used in horse fly sprays and fogging the inside of homes. It's a general insecticide but mainly for winged insects. It's also in just about every known flea and tick medication/shampoo on the market.

The most common signs of pyrethrin toxicity are tremors, drooling, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, incoordination, hyperactivity, disorientation, vocalization, depression, difficulty breathing, and seizures. Death is possible. Additionally in cats, may see ear flicking, paw shaking, or contractions/twitching of the skin.

It sounds like they only got a little bit of it. Hopefully rain or sun damaged and diluted it enough to make it less to ingest.

DO talk to your neighbor, find out exactly what brand, call your vet for further instructions, and explain to the neighbor how dangerous exposing pesticides can be to not only your dogs but local area wildlife.

As posted on another post our dog has had same. As always been healthy in the stomach area. It may be a virus going around as an awful lot of pets have had it.
Deb

Well..... veterinary visit over.  Back to square one! lol
I have to fast Alfie again for 24 hours, whilst he begins antibiotics (Metrogyl), then back onto bland diet and slow re-introduction of usual food.  Then we'll see how he goes.

Tess hasn't been to the loo yet, so I'm not sure what sort of state her tummy is in.

Have managed to get hold of neighbour, the bait used for the fly trap is blood and bone meal.

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For some reason I thought that this was now illegal since BSE (in the UK.)

Still a legal garden fertiliser.

Not to forget I'm in Australia now.

I'll see how Alf goes on the antibiotics, and slowly back onto normal food after the continuation of his bland diet.
Poor love has lost almost 2 kg in weight :(
Just wish they could talk!?

Just to add, may have a bearing on the situation.  Both dogs are going to the toilet at the same times as usual, i.e. either after their evening meal or first thing in the morning.  So it's not like they're desperately suffering from 'oooh ooh gotta go' type diarrheoa, but those stools that they are doing are quite orangey coloured and not properly formed, even after a bland diet.

> [url=http://www.gardendirect.co.uk/blood-fish-bone-meal-p-532" rel=nofollow]Still a legal garden fertiliser.[/url]

Ah!!  Perhaps they just can't use bovine bones now.  Hadn't thought of that!

as said in my post above. My Barney is having the same thing. Going at normal time ie morning and night but not a full formed stool just orangy slop!!sorry.
Deb

I would change from chicken and rice to white fish and potato ...C & R  never works for my dogs in fact chicken gives them the squits if I give more than a tiny bit as a treat.

I'll perhaps change to that then Starryeyes, because whatever I'm doing doesn't seem to be working :(

Alf now hasn't been to the loo for 2 days!!  Tess went last night, and you guessed it, still bright orange a fairly loose (also looked like there were possibly white little round bits in there - a bit like whole grain mustard looks?  Too much detail I know, sorry!  But I'm wondering - worm eggs?).
Tess also seems to be losing hair around her eyes, muzzle and ears - but no smelly ears or discharge - earmites?

I phoned the vets yesterday to give an update, and of course he doesn't want what I'm feeding to have the opposite effect and bung the dogs up, but with Tess it doesn't seem to have (think that's because I've started reintroducing their normal food) and with Alf no poo's at all!

Back on the phone today I think :(

>Tess also seems to be losing hair around her eyes, muzzle and ears - but no smelly ears or discharge - earmites?

No. Earmites cause irritation, discharge and smell within the ears, not hairloss around the eyes, muzzle and ears.

Thanks JG, could just be due to the fact that her diet has been so lacking in nutrition the last few days then?

I'm so worried...  back to vets on Monday.  Phoned to make an appointment, was told to give Alf a spoonful of cooking oil with his next feed to encourage passing of faeces, seems quite a bizarre thing to do considering he's had the trots!?

Well.. been back to the vets.

He's suggested a complete change in diet, so has put the guys onto Hill's Science ID (not a food I would personally choose as Tess didn't do well on the 'normal' version) to see how they go.

Alf's stools still have the bright orange tint, but are still more formed than Tess's.  Both still have lots of grass in there!!!
I do wonder if it could be that, that is upsetting both their tums.

Anyway, will give the food a go, and then we can see if it is primarily a diet issue.