how many people here use it? how many don't?

Never used it. 

No, never used it either, had thought about it, but had no reason to use it.

Use it for the Papillons after I lost an entire litter. Never used it for Malinois.

I've just used it for the first time.

Never used it .

found this interesting as my vet suggested this to me recently after my girl had a singleton and she was stillborn. She had a lot of blood in her uterus and he said if we do try once more then maybe get the jab, but i have heard bad stories with that too so am also interested to hear peoples opinions and experiences.

Never used it, because I've never had reason to.  I might feel differently if I'd had problems getting bitches pregnant though.

One of my girls had a singleton a couple of years ago, we mated her again last summer, she went on to have a lovely healthy litter of 7, we didn't use the vaccine even though our vet suggested it.

After having three matings in a row result in the bitch missing, I tried the Herpes Vaccine,
with  great result, a perfectly normal and healthy litter.
I think  my girls have the CHV, if one does they all do, I suspect. Will continue to use the vaccine,
don't want to risk my girls missing because I don't.
Or even worse, loose a whole litter once it's born.

I asked my vet about it and she really does not think it is needed If i want she will order it in but does not think it will do any good
and because they  dont keep it in would have to order a box that would cost a small fortune I am intrested in what people are saying cause i am sure i will be  able to find a vet who keeps it in stock if its worth while x

thats good to know, my girl had a litter of 10 in her previous litter, so a little odd, but this was to a different stud as i wanted another puppy from her but different combination. Want to try once more in a year if she is fit and well and thought about covering the season with ab's instead of the chv jab.
Just out of interest was the same stud used on both occasions?

I have used it for several years now and will continue to do so.  I know of someone in my breed who also used it for a long time and decided to stop, lost the whole litter to fading puppy syndrome so has gone back to using it.
Re - vets ordering it in - they are able to order in single doses and it costs around £20 for me to buy from my vet, so I think thats just an excuse!

Tanya if your friend is going to opt for the herpes shots she needs the first one done between 7 and 10 days of mating, i enquired about it from several breeders in our breed and most advised having it, my vet charges £21 per injection but did have to order it in specially, why dont you ask your boys breeder what she thinks? i got so much help and advise from my girls breeder

Re - vets ordering it in - they are able to order in single doses and it costs around £20 for me to buy from my vet, so I think thats just an excuse!

Indeed! They order one at a time, and with my vet I just tell them about 3 days in advance so they can get it in for me. I pay £30 per dose and I think £60 is a very small price to pay if it can save a litter.

Hummm this is somting I might get my mum to do for her bitch do you do it 7 to 10 days before the mating or during, and what are the negatives that soem of you have said about?

I'm going to use it too. I think it's worth the extra to be on the safe side. Opinion seems to vary on when to do the first one. Some say within 24 hours of the mating (ie ASAP) other say about 5 days. what does eveyone think?

Yes we use it. Did for our last litter two years ago and the litter we have now.  This litter 8 puppies all big strong puppies, excellent weights. Will use in the future too.  We just phone the Vet 7-10 days after mating and they order it, when we find she's in whelp just phone again and Vet orders another dose to be given 1-2 weeks before due date, it's about £30 each time.

We started using it last year, never had any problems but our scan man advised it as he said canine herpes is rife nowadays, 1st injection 7-10 days after mating, 2nd injection 10 days before due date, with our breed they tend to welp early hence the reason why we give it 10 days before, our vet charges £24.

what does eveyone think?
I think why pump your dogs full of unnecessary drugs and chemicals............

See i tend to agree here, i have never used it and never had any major problems really, so this first incident of a stillborn singleton may just be one of those things. I will be doing alot more research on the chv before i decide one way or the other i think.

I would say most breeders use it after they have had problems of some sort, bitches missing or losing litters. I would not have given it as a matter of course but I have doses ready and waiting for me when my girl comes into season. You don't have to wait for mating to give it, it can also be given just after the season starts and again 6 weeks later.  I shall give mine when she comes in, because I really feel that by 7 days after the mating its all over for my girl and it would be too late. Although tbh I don't think CHV is her problem but shes going to have the lot this time round.

i used it on my only litter to date and all the puppies were strong healthy pups,we had four and even the smallest couldnt be regarded as a runt.the mum fed them all realy well,too.would rather use it than not as ive heard of entire litters fade and die from the virus,imo small price to pay..

would rather use it than not as ive heard of entire litters fade and die from the virus
Never had one in 25 years.  But then I'm not into insurance or Vets either.  :)

A well-respected canine reproduction specialist that I have heard speak twice thinks CHV is very rare in the UK - and presumably that the increased uptake of the CHV jab is worthless in most cases. They also said that puppies don't 'fade' as such, as it is a very painful disease, so puppies are very noisy if they have CVH rather than fading puppies, which is all I've ever heard tell of.

M.

Is it possible to have a blood test to see if your bitches have CHV, if they haven't then no need to use the vaccine, unless of course they pick it up from the stud.

I have never had a bitch miss more than once in a row, and the first time I had stillborn pups (two) and one failing to thrive so PTS was in my 'H' litter.  I thought of using it for the next litter but there was a problem getting it.

We had a litter of 4 and one still born.  Since then I have had another 6 litters with just one litter with a stillborn and one lost on day two in my 'M' litter.

if there is a blood test for chv then i would definately prefer to test first instead of just giving it 'incase', the girl that had the stillborn singleton had 11 puppies last litter and number 11 was stillborn but i put that down to a very long labour and large litter, that litter was with a different stud too.

Also because there was only one puppy, i think we lost that little girl due to mum not going into labour as the puppy was definately alive 2 days previously which makes me sad that if we had done c-section sooner she may of made it....but at that time the was no cause for concern as she was not overdue, section was performed on day 63 from second mating.

I am still torn about this do not want to put unneccassary chemicals into my little girl But do not want her to loose a litter Does any one know of the side affeccts of the chv My vet still does not think it works Also my bitch and stud both maiden what are the chances of them having it ?x

As far as i know CHV can be contracted via all different methods not just through matings so if they have been around lots of other dogs then that would still be possible. I dont think i would use it on a dog that has never had a problem, i am only considering it because my girl had a stillborn singleton after previously having 10 healthy puppies

Have you used the vaccine then i am trying to decide Read a bit about it but you getting more confused cause in one it was saying that the vaccine is not even for sale in usa I have also looked for a blood test like you said but cant find that they do one x

does anyone know if there is a blood test for chv?

If there is i would test both dog and bitch, but like i say i am not one for booster vaccs so dont want to use the chv unless my dog has it really, i have plenty of time to research this as my girl wont be tried again for a year.

There is a blood test for chv but the timings have to be accurate. If the virus is lying dormant it won't show, if its been active in the last 3 weeks it will. Also you can have a swab to test as well.

IMO for what its worth, I would only be using it if I'd encountered problems in the past. I have had successful litters without using it (tbh without ever having heard of it) I have only got interested now because I have problems and am crossing all the 'T's'. In a new bitch, I would not be using it as a matter of course.

A well-respected canine reproduction specialist that I have heard speak twice thinks CHV is very rare in the UK - and presumably that the increased uptake of the CHV jab is worthless in most cases. They also said that puppies don't 'fade' as such, as it is a very painful disease, so puppies are very noisy if they have CVH rather than fading puppies, which is all I've ever heard tell of.

M.
Canine Herpes Virus is Kennel Cough! No lack of that in the UK :-) Basically my understanding is - if your bitch has had kennel cough at any point in her life, then she will have CHV. It is the same sort of virus as the coldsore virus in humans, when you get stressed or your immune system is under pressure, if you have the virus you will get a coldsore. The same with a bitch - pregnancy can be a stressful time for a bitch and it is a time when their immune system will be compromised. The virus will be shed and can either be passed across the placenta OR after labour (which again is a stressful time) the virus can be shed and passed to the pups via mums milk.
CHV is a virus that will show very few, if any symptoms in an adult dog (besides kennel cough) and because so many dogs have been exposed to the virus at some point in their life they will more than likely have the virus lying dormant (which will then not show up on a blood test.)
Not every bitch that has the CHV virus will shed it around the time of pregnancy, whelping and rearing and so as long as the virus remains dormant - it will not cause a problem to mum or pups.

>Canine Herpes Virus is Kennel Cough!

I don't know where you got that idea from, but it isn't true. They're two entirely separate conditions - for a start Kennel Cough is a bacterial infection and Canine Herpes Virus is a viral infection (the clue's in the name ;-)). Suffering from herpes virus, or parainfluenza virus, or distemper virus etc will make subsequent infection with bordetella more likely because the immune system is weakened, but they are not the same condition.

Point taken Jeangenie - apologies everyone, my misunderstanding. CHV-1 is a cause of Kennel cough, not the other way around. Can we blame the fact that I am 7 and a half months pregnant and this pregnancy has destroyed my braincells!? I stand corrected - apologies again! :-s

No problem - it's easy to see where the confusion arose, but good to get it sorted. I didn't want people thinking that the KC vaccine and the CHV vaccine were the same.