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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Puppy yelping at night
- By Potty [gb] Date 11.10.09 07:41 UTC
Hi, I have a 11 week old Jack Russell. She is doing really well, we just have an issue with night times, she hates being left alone.
She sleeps in a crate, which she loves to nap in during the day. We exercise and toilet her before sleep, but as soon as we put her in the crate and walk out of the room, she yelps continually. I leave a radio on in the back ground, an old jumper of mine in her bed and even a warm hot water bottle but still doesnt seem to settle her. We have also tried just ignoring her, but there is only so much i can take!
Eventually she will nod off. half way through the night she starts yelping again to let me know she wants to go to the toilet, which is great and i'm really proud of her for that. But once she has been I put her back in the crate and the yelping starts again.
We are willing to try anything!
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 11.10.09 07:48 UTC
Have you tried having her crate in your bedroom at night? She'll still be in her crate (where she's happy) but not alone.
- By bear [gb] Date 11.10.09 09:41 UTC
i know it's hard to ignore a crying puppy but it does work if you stick to it, of course you could have the crate near you if you can't do that but i've always used the other method and it's worked for me.
one thing i would say though,, if your going to get up in the night when she cries for the toilet she knows if she cries you will come to her so it would be better to set your alarm for certain times in the night and go down before she cries to take her out.
also try doing the exercise during the evening rather than just before bed and toilet. with my dogs it has been better that they are calm before bed and not excited by playing etc.
when you toilet the pup take her out and say a word when she's wee's that she will get used to, this way she will learn a command  from you that she knows means you want her to toilet. when she has gone praise her then no eye contact or talking when you take her in, just put her to bed turn round and leave the room. the more attention you give the more stressed she will be when left.
these things take time so don't panic but be patient and calm and don't forget only reward the good things but ignore the bad and use distraction which works really well most the time.    
- By sweetiepie Date 11.10.09 13:42 UTC
Some people give a bed time treat which might help distract her from initially being left alone.
- By goldie [gb] Date 11.10.09 14:27 UTC
Hi Potty
My 9week old pup sleeps next to us at night in her bed (not crate..my choice) and we hear nothing all night untill maybe between 5-6am.
I get up straight away and put her out for a wee....i say to her be quick be quick and that always works for all my dogs.
Your young one is most lightly lonely and needs to be near you for comfort.
I also play earlier in the evening with mine rather than late.
I know its not suitable for everyone to have pups sleep with them..but it works well for us..and we get a good night sleep.
- By chip Date 13.10.09 11:42 UTC
Ima My mini Schnauzer cried for approx a week, Fortunately for us though when she came from her breeders she was already toilet trained throughout the night, so i had no need to wake her during the night.  Ima was in a crate in our living room were she spends most of her time.  She cried for about an hour the first night, cried for approx 40 mins the second night and so it diminished, a week later and she slept all the way through the night and has been the same ever since, it is hard hearing your pup cry and a worry if you have neighbours (i went to mine and explained the situation beforehand).  A crate/bed in your bedroom is a good idea if you are happy with her sleeping in your room and if in your bedroom is where you wish her to sleep forever.  However if you are not happy for this to happen forever, then at a later date, your pup will go through the stress of having to be moved again........ I say choose where you wish her to be and persevere it does work out in the end.
- By henrieke [gb] Date 13.10.09 12:22 UTC
I agree with Chip, if you dont want her in your bedroom for the rest of her life dont put her there.  My cav sleeps in the hallway and her snoring still wakes me up!  I had the same problem as you with my latest pup, ignoring has worked with all my previous pups, but not this one!  She would cry for hours and hours at a time, for 9 weeks old it was impressive!  I was one of those people that said,dont worry they will stop, but not his one.  She slept in a pen in my lounge until she was 100% toilet trained.  I put her to bed early, they are babies after all, and spent the time sat on the sofa with the tv on low instead of my usual washing up/organising things.  She would fall asleep like this, and I could (very quietly) sneak out.
Do you have other dogs?  When I got my latest pup my cavalier was an only dog and very much prefered it that way.  Once she realised that the pup was here to stay I made her leave her usual night time position and sleep next to the pen.  This helped the pup no end, even if I did have a very grupmpy cavalier for a few days!
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 13.10.09 12:27 UTC

>A crate/bed in your bedroom is a good idea if you are happy with her sleeping in your room and if in your bedroom is where you wish her to sleep forever.  However if you are not happy for this to happen forever, then at a later date, your pup will go through the stress of having to be moved again........


That's not actually true. ;-) When a puppy is taken away from its mum and siblings it feels very lost and lonely when it's left alone at night, and cries for company, a bit like a small child at boarding school. If you keep it feeling secure with you for a week or two, till it gets used to its new surroundings and bed, you can then move the bed or crate to a more convenient place without great difficulty or distress.
- By chip Date 13.10.09 12:35 UTC

> That's not actually true. ;-) When a puppy is taken away from its mum and siblings it feels very lost and lonely when it's left alone at night, and cries for company, a bit like a small child at boarding school. If you keep it feeling secure with you for a week or two, till it gets used to its new surroundings and bed, you can then move the bed or crate to a more convenient place without great difficulty or distress.


Oh i dont know Jeangenie, i had a male dog who cried as a pup so i let him as a pup sleep in my bedroom in a crate....... All was great, when he was used to a crate i then moved him to another room not too far from me, so he could still hear us etc.... He raised the roof, got himself so stresses out and made himself sick!!! We tried and tried again and he was not for having any of it.  He literally made himself sick, and that continued throughout the daytime too, even when he was back with us doing his normal routines, it threw him completely.  I have no doubt some dogs can be moved quite easily, but not all!!! :-)
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 13.10.09 12:40 UTC
There are always exceptions. :-) But as a general rule, once they feel secure in their new environment they'll relax and sleep wherever their bed is, just as they do when you take them to stay in strange places.
- By goldie [gb] Date 13.10.09 13:21 UTC
Just my oppinion, but i find once a puppy is happy and relaxed it will stay like it through its life...rather than upsetting it from the start.
Mine all sleep with us from the word go 8weeks...but are very happy to be left in the other rooms if need be by the time of adult hood...as they have no concerns..and put their trust in us and feel secure.
- By dogs a babe Date 13.10.09 13:52 UTC Edited 13.10.09 13:56 UTC
I know others have expressed concerns about having a pup in the room with you but that wasn't my experience.

My pup was in our bedroom for the first week or so.  He formed a strong attachment to his bed and bedding NOT the room this was sited in.  We had a smallish crate upstairs and a bigger one in the utility room which was going to be his long term bed.  I took his fleece up to the bedroom crate with him at night, and brought it down again in the morning.  During the day he used his big downstairs crate.  Apart from the fact I could control the lighting (completely dark) and was able to drop a hand in to him for comfort, I'm not sure he was terribly aware that he was upstairs!!  Additionally he was carried up and down to prevent impact on joints.

I moved him downstairs when it became more difficult to carry him.  I started to feel that stumbling around in the dark with a heavy beastie was getting a bit dangerous for both of us.  Also by that time I had a better idea of his timings so I was able to anticipate his waking.  I stuck to a very clear routine of last wee then lights out and I set my alarm to get him out before he woke up properly.  Originally it was twice a night but we gradually moved it.  If he was too awake after his pee I'd stay around til he nodded off.  Staying in the room til he settled was key though, so I'd keep a book handy and pull up a chair!

If it all sounds like too much effort it really wasn't.  It was worth investing the time to have a happy, relaxed boy who loves his bed, and is happy to go whenever he's asked :) 

Edited to say:  we would practise bed times throughout the day, I woudn't just leave him at night.  I'd put him to bed for a short time mid morning and mid afternoon too.  He needed a rest and it's great to ensure your dog can be left, whether you need to or not.  Sometimes just shut the door between you too so your dog doesn't get too used to being with you ALL the time.  Good luck
- By Justine [gb] Date 13.10.09 19:43 UTC
Potty have you tried covering the crate over with a large blanket to see if that helps?  Obviously not big enough for your pup to get too hot but it may make it more cosy.

I got a crate when my Weimaraner bitch screamed the place down for a week, and I slept on the settee with her in it for a couple of nights, then gradually moved it further out of the room, a bit at a time each night until it was where I wanted it, and she was fine then.  :)
- By Brainless [gb] Date 14.10.09 07:40 UTC
Alternatively you can sleep near the pups for a few nights until they settle and then go back to your own bed.
- By chip Date 14.10.09 10:13 UTC
I will have to remember this for future reference, sound advice.  My boy must have been a one off, he was like a limpet and extremely highly strung.  Ima was great, not a problem but my boy he was having non of it.  :-)
- By Brainless [gb] Date 14.10.09 10:17 UTC
Another thing that helps if the barking is for attention is to come down, take pup for toilet but not interact with it at all,

Once toileted come back in put pup back to bed, still no eye contact or interaction.  Put the kettle on and potter about until pup settles and then leave.

When pup realises calling to you actually does not end in anything interesting happening it should settle to sleep.
- By teddyboy [gb] Date 14.10.09 16:06 UTC
i'm with goldie on this one.  I think if you make them secure from the beginning it makes them happy and confident sleeping pretty much anywhere.  Trying to decide a place for them to sleep can be tricky and is the same for a baby - neither of my children wanted to kip in their own beds either but happily do so now!
my dog started off in a crate in the lounge and i slept next to him....then a crate in the kitchen but he started crying so i had him on the bed where he slept right through with no accidents til early morning.
Now he has chosen to sleep by the side of the bed, but he'll sometimes wander off in the night to a different spot around the house.
It's worked for me and haven't had much aggro or stress either.
- By flora2 [gb] Date 14.10.09 18:30 UTC
I've had four dogs now, all have started out in a box next to our bed and then gradually moved out. Never had a problem with crying during the night . I know some people can leave them alone to cry but not me.
- By Masonsmum [gb] Date 15.10.09 08:00 UTC
We have done the opposite :) Our boy slept in the lounge from 7 weeks old. He did cry for the first week but soon settled down in his bed. But as it's starting to get colder we have moved his bed into our bedroom. I think, as another poster added, that he formed an attachment with his bed rather than the room in which he slept. Although saying that he could sleep just about anywhere now and it wouldn't bother him ;)
- By colliepam Date 15.10.09 17:47 UTC
metoo!i gave up on the crate when i couldnt stand her crying!FAR too soft!but she settles well now.its probably "wrong"but she chooses where to sleep.Usually under the settee!
- By Brainless [gb] Date 15.10.09 21:19 UTC

> its probably "wrong"


If it suits you, she doesn't dirty or damage anything and can't get into danger then there is no wrong.
Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Puppy yelping at night

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