this is probably old news to everyone on here, but i just found out yesterday that the KC has stoped english bred dogs being able to hold an over sees CH
kooikerhondje cant get CCs so i was hoping to go to holland.
why have the KC done this, teh person who told me didnt know she was going to go to holland this year to try and bring back a CAC holder.

WHY have they done this!

Where did you get this information from ?

Can you put up a link to where you got your information please?

Think your friend has got that a bit confused. The KC will not recognise the title on its registration sustem, but the dog can still be a Ch anywhere if it wins the awards. After all deciding who is a Dutch Ch is down to the Dutch KC.

I have a feeling Stamboom is refering to this, released back in March '09.. 

Its perfectly clear... There is nothing stopping any dog becoming a Champ overseas, I dont see your problem Stamboom

**THE FCI has decided that, under its rules, UK dogs no longer need to hold a UK champion title in order to be eligible for its International Beauty Champion title.

Implications

The Kennel Club's General Committee has considered the implications of this change and has decided that FCI titles will in future not be added to a dog's UK registration or Stud Book records. This includes the records of imported and ATC dogs.
UK exhibitors who want to claim the FCI title should no longer apply via the KC, as has previously been the practice, but should apply directly to the FCI.
This decision is with immediate effect and applies to all outstanding claims. Exhibitors are advised that, even with official FCI confirmation, FCI titles should not be included on UK show entry forms.
None of the above will be applied retrospectively, for example not to dogs who already have the FCI title recorded on the KC registration database. This change will have no effect upon a dog's class eligibilities at shows which remain as before. **

a friend that has top kooiker in the country, she told me. i just wondered why. she just said that if you are a champion in eroupe it doesnt count in england.

i dont really know.

The award will count towards entries at shows-ie dog can only go into Open Class, it's just that FCI no longer requires a dog to be a champion in the UK to become an Int Ch under FCI rules so the UK KC has adopted the new policy !

> she just said that if you are a champion in eroupe it doesnt count in england.

My friend has a Belgian Champion - it's still a Belgian Champion and can only be entered in the Open class, just as before.

yes there is a BELCH in the breed, but i was told that it wont count if any dog gets it from now on. 

Of course it  will count, it just wont be put on the UK KC registration system. Try entering a Bel Ch in post grad, getting BOB and see how quickly the dog is disqualified!

>i was told that it wont count if any dog gets it from now on. 

Yes it will - the dog will still be a champion, and only allowed to enter the Open class. It just won't be able to put the title on its UK registration form.

i just read an artical. they can become a champ anywhere but the KC wont recognise it only irish.
but you can still put it on the show entry, but teh KC WILL NOT put it on the dogs papers.

> just read an artical. they can become a champ anywhere but the KC wont recognise it only irish.
>but you can still put it on the show entry, but teh KC WILL NOT put it on the dogs papers

So.. whats the problem? 

That is no different to the American Kennel club when champions from the UK go there or offspring of these their titles are not acknowledged.

It's a bit much to say 'yes it counts as far as entering classes' but 'no it doesn't count for enough to be worth listing the Ch in front of the dogs name'!

When the press announcement re FCI International Ch title was published I contacted KC for clarification re National Titles won under FCI rules.

The KC will no longer permit you to enter the dog with FCI Int Ch title on entry forms (unless awareded BEFORE the new rule came into force)

National Titles are NOT affected so our Netherland Ch Field Spaniel can still be entered as Ned Ch at UK shows.. quite right to especially as any CAC wins must be counted to Uk class qualifications. We have two other dogs (GSP's ) well on their way to their Netherland titles and we continue to plan shows in holland. The Ned Ch title however is NOT added to KC registration system so his Uk papers do not show this title.

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