Hi everyone,

I am not a happy bunny this afternoon. I have just found out that although I put a restrictions on my puppies pedigrees for 'not to be bread with and not to be exported' , one of my puppies (actually 13 months old) is flying out to the US on 31st June to remain with her forever family.  I phoned the KC and they explained that they could take her out of the country without my permission ...but they could not register her with the USA KC.

As she is a pet it is unlikely they would do this....I was under the illusion they could not take her out of GB without me saying so.

I'm so worried...What if they come back to England and leave her there? She is going to Miami and she is a long coated breed and does not like the heat......How can I help her in the future if she is all that way away. I have offered to have her back and explained to the family I am not happy but there is nothing I can do.

BOO-HOO

> 'not to be bread with and not to be exported'

No.. the restrictions are.. progeny cannot be registered, or, cannot be registered with an overseas Kennel Club

It does not  stop owners from breeding, nor taking it out of the country..

> I was under the illusion they could not take her out of GB without me saying so

They do not need your permission to take their dog wherever they want...

If the owners have gone to the trouble and expense of taking their dog with them it would indicate that the dog is a much loved member of their family so hope this would mean that they woudln't part with her once they have arrived in USA.

I would imagine it is not a cheap exercise to do which stands her in good stead to remain a much loved member of their family wherever they may be in the world :-)

I would assume she is much loved..after all you did your vetting and presumably liked the owners in the first place, and if they were likely to "Leave " her out there they would be much more likely to "Leave " her in UK..it's not cheap to take a dog abroad after all. I have no doubt they love her dearly and do not wish to be parted from a member of the family. I am sure they will take great care of her and take her coat into consideration. Do not worry but keep in touch and enjoy listening to her adventures in her new life.;) ;)
Aileen xxx

>I was under the illusion they could not take her out of GB without me saying so

No, what they can't do is register her with an overseas kennel club to show or breed from her abroad. The endorsement is no restriction on her ability to travel abroad.

I think you need to see this from a different perspective. It is not cheap or easy to export a dog!! If these people are doing this they obviously can not see their lives without her- the kind of family you ultimately want your babies to go to. I know you must be worried about her well being, but seeing as though there is nothing you can do about it why alienate them and risk never hearing about her ever again?

If they have made the effort and financial committment to plan to take her to Miami, why would they leave her there if returning the UK (quarantine??)? I can understand your worries about her getting hot, however I think you will find most houses in Miami are airconditioned and people walk their dogs early and late when it's cooler.

I have recently exported my Weim from the UK to Australia and I had the full support of her breeder. We are still in regular contact and I know she is there whenever I need advice etc etc. I personally think you will regret losing the relationship you have with them when you now know there is no way you can stop them. I hope I haven't come across as too blunt... I can just see this situation from their perspective as I have just done it!

PS: Storm went from -10 degrees in London to +35 in Perth and was fine. Dogs that are healthy to start with adapt very well to change IMO.

I have to agree with Stormy, we took our 9year old flatcoat to the States in 2000 we were on a 3 year contract and gambled that she wouldn't live beyond 12 but if she did we planned to live in europe for 6 months to avoid quarantine. I couldn't have left her in the UK it would have broken my heart and I'm sure the pups owners feel the same. I kept in touch with the breeder and even after my girlie went over the bridge, she put me in touch with contacts in the states when I was ready for a new pup.
Bringing dogs back from the USA is relatively easy if they get the rabies vaccine, microchip and titres sorted out asap after they get there they will be able to travel back in 6mths with the dog.
Regarding the heat, everything is air conditioned and I know plenty of flatcoats that thrive in the florida sunshine.
I understand that she will always be your baby but she is part of their family and I imagine they are totally besotted.
Perhaps you could get in touch with the breed club in the US and speak to some breeders in florida to put your mind at rest.

One of my last years litter went to live with a lovely American couple, living in the UK, but they told me their plans were to return to the States, they now live in Texas and puppy went too, couldn't of asked for a nicer family.  It's expensive to take your dogs abroad, so if they plan to take the dog with them, then take it they are excellent caring owners.

All my pups have export and breeding restrictions too.

I'm just echoing eveyone else.  if they are willing to pay the expense it can't be a bad family.  You can still keep in contact, there's e-mail and there's Skype (Free skype to skype calls, might be worth suggesting s you can keep in contact!  If they have a web cam you can see the dog too!)  My partners parents use it to keep in contcat with their friends all over the world for free and so their freidns can see how the dogs are now coping in UK.  It's fantatsic and easy to use once you know how.

I would be givingthese owners as much support as possible, not asking to take back there much loved family pet.  I would be offering to do all I can to help them move the dog over safely, does she need to be taken to airport seperatly, what if she doesn't get on the same flight as them?  Will she stay at airport for night or will you make arrangements and be on call should any help be needed this end?

I think it's better they are taking her with them, they could have dumped her in rescue and not told you a thing.

Thank you for your replies. I do not think I ever imagined one of my puppies going all that way away. I was mistaken by the KC clause and was hoping it meant what it said....no export. What a sharp learning curve.

I have put the family in touch with a breeder from Miami that I met a few years ago. She is going to make contact and offer ongoing support...if ever needed. (how kind!) I am pleased that they love her so much they cannot be parted, I am sure the trip will be fine. If she does not go soon she will not be able to travel until their autumn...something to do with the heat on the tarmac when they land and not been in an air conditioned part of the plane.

Fingers crossed all will be well and she'll settle just fine.

Cheers

Yes if tempretures are over a certain amount where landing dog's cannot fly because they are just in the hold with no AC or tempreture control of any kind.

It must have been a shock for you to learn such a thing but if they are oing somewhere where they will be offerd local support aswell s your own I think you can safely say you sold to a very good life long home. :) 

>I was mistaken by the KC clause and was hoping it meant what it said....no export.

It actually says "Not eligible for the issue of an Export Pedigree" (a special KC pedigree that enables a dog to be registered with another kennel club) not "No export".

Dogs with this endorsement can still get a Pet Passport and go abroad on holiday with their owners, or go and live abroad as pets.

After replying to this post earlier, I heard from the family of same pup, to say they were now living in Singapore, work had taken them there, a 3 year contract, so family and dog now happily settled in Singapore after 30 days in quarantine.  Temps definitely hotter there than the not so hot UK.

Wow what a well traveled dog!  Dog acclimatise well though.  The thai dogs went from extream thai heats to landing in the UK feb 08...the VERY cold spell and they have settled fine and now on our hot days find it far too warm....

Two dogs that I have bred one is now in America (short term contract) and another in Australia (the families now forever home).  As others have said if they are willing to pay for the exportation which isn't cheap definitely shows that they are over the moon with the dog I would think