http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/dyno-rod-rescue-puppy-flushed-down-toilet/2132531854

Just had a news bit on Beeb suffolk about this.
How on Earth..............
Where was parent................
WHAT sort of byb has the bitch....................
Speechless.....................

Chris

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193098/Puppy-survives-boy-accidentally-flushes-toilet-washing-him.html

just found this as well

Saw it this morning on the news.  They had a picture of the boy and personally I think he looked rather creepy.  What kid, even a 4 year old, would think of washing anything in the toilet never mind a puppy?  Do you think it's the excuse the parents came up with?

>What kid, even a 4 year old, would think of washing anything in the toilet never mind a puppy?

Teddies are frequently 'bathed' in the lavatory!

Couldn't be an excuse, if they wanted to get rid of the pup they wouldn't have called in help - it must have cost them a fortune, it cost us £150 just to clear a 5 foot drain pipe when we had to call dynorod in a few years back. (My son, then 18, had poured a frying pan full of hot lard down the plughole - at least not a living thing!)
It is just a very sad accident, and i expect the Mum will be supervising the child with the dogs from now on, at least it survived.

I think  a lot of neglect of the Mother and Pups went on all round here...did I hear right " the twin brother had got the ...1wk...old puppy all muddy !!!! So other brother tried to wash it clean!!!"
Poor Poor puppies, what sort of a start have they had to be played with so young, presumably taken away from Mum to be " Made all muddy" and then flushed down the loo. it just is unbelievable.
How must the puppies Mother feel to have her precious babies used as toys.
Aileen

Edited to say have just read the other link and see the boy "Took him for a walk in the garden and he got Muddy!!"  Words fail me!

a 1 week old puppy for a walk in the garden??????????? The 4 year olds were un supervised with a litter of week old puppies...

Words fail me!

i am gobsmacked :( a one week old puppy, in the garden, got muddy? Left unsupervised four year old children? Poor poor puppies and poor mummy dog, some people really have no idea :|

Whats to say that the kids won't do it again , they must have loved the attention.

Poor puppy

Peanuts

People should never assume that children think the same way as adults (even some adults don't think the same way as adults!).

Children are very logical. You take dogs for walks. Puppies are dogs. Therefore you take puppies for walks.

You wash things in water. There is water in the lavatory. Therefore you can wash things in the lavatory.

It reminds me of my son sending his toy 'Roland Rat' swimming..........He was so distressed, but yes it was him who put him in the fish tank.
We had to do our best to dry him and make him good again, but poor boy took a lot of consoling, he really loved Roland.
So yes I could see it happen with the pup very easily.
Karen

so true Jeangenie , i put our cat Cyril down the loo to give him a wash when i was about 3 or 4 , i was interupted by Nan just as i was about to pull the chain on him i swear i thought i was doing a good deed giving him a wash as he had all sticky bramble things stuck in his coat , and they were prickle so i wanted to get them off ,
i did nough get a slap round the back of my legs for doing it tho,
the cat got away  with just a wet tail thank god,

> Where was parent................
> WHAT sort of byb has the bitch....................

Children can get up to lots of things even when being supervised by parents it onlt takes seconds for them to get up to mischief !

As Jeangenie said children think differently to adults . I am sure their mum will be taking extra care now that the children do not do it again.
The pup looks fine now even though it must have had a terrible time.

And what difference would it have made if the Breeder was a BYB as you say it could have happened to any breeder who had small children !!
Not all BYB's as you call them are bad people they are just frowned upon by some people which is IMO not nice !

People should never assume that children think the same way as adults (even some adults don't think the same way as adults!).
This is very true...but you may expect a woman with two children of her own to have a little common sence when it comes to baby puppies. I have grandchildren of this age and they know the rules where pups/dogs are concerned. They are Never left unsupervised around the dogs and espescially not near pups..I know they love them and would not vouch for thier behaviour, ( cuddles etc..). The Neglect is on the part of thier Mother.
What to my mind is more worrying is that if they are left unsupervised round a litter of one week old pups what dangers they are in, even the most mild mannered bitch will protect her babies if needed and the consequenses do not bear thinking about.....
"Shock Horror as 4year old savaged by family pet"...Mother said "I don't know why she did it..she has always been a loving dog till now. Now we have had her PTS and are having to rear X number of lovely baby puppies by hand..."
Worse case senario maybe but we see it much too often reported.
Aileen

> Couldn't be an excuse, if they wanted to get rid of the pup they wouldn't have called in help - it must have cost them a fortune,

It didnt cost them anything.. Dyno rod did it for free, when she queried what the cost was going to be..

apparently it was an hour before mum of 7 noticed the pup was missing 

looking after 7 kids AND a litter of pups :-O  or not.. as the case may be

Yes.. I know children can do strange things.. mine used the loo as Sindy's bath..

but, to not notice a missing pup for an hour.. is a bit much :-(

I would never trust my kids alone with puppies & they're now 5 & 6.  My two wanted to take 10 day old puppies on a tour of the garden (obviously they didn't do it but in their eyes, they wanted the puppies to see their new home & where they would get to play).

My son put his trousers in the electric oven when he was just turned 4 (it was off fortunately).  The rationale behind this was that he'd seen me dry clothes on the Aga, therefore heat dries things, therefore the oven would dry his trousers.

Bathing a pup in the loo probably made perfect sense to a four year old (particularly a boy in my experience).

merlot 100% agree with you! I have young children and they know the rules when it comes to puppies and dogs, i would certainly notice if my kids had taken a one week old puppy for walkies in the garden, there is no excuse for what has happened and it is total neglect from the adult :(

Unbelievable isn't it, all the hard work we breeders put in to keep our newly whelped pups clean, warm and frequently fed,  and this 7 day old poor wee pup ends up in a filthy toilet drain with the worst bacteria it can come into contact with, in the cold with no milk for 4 hours, was previously removed from the safety and warmth of it's mother, carried around by a little boy into the garden made muddy and flushed clean in a toilet.  By all accounts it should not have survived.

And they have turned it into an Ahhhh......... story, it is certainly not! The most irresponsible breeder I've ever heard of (in a while at least) these pups are treated as toys, it makes me so mad.

A 4 year old that doesn't know what a toilet is for? Something is very wrong there.And although the pup is described as a cocker the mum's a crossbreed.Just totally irresponsible all round really isn't it?

I don't think that boy should have been allowed to walk around the house with a tiny pup like that.

[url=]Unbelievable isn't it, all the hard work we breeders put in to keep our newly whelped pups clean, warm and frequently fed,  and this 7 day old poor wee pup ends up in a filthy toilet drain with the worst bacteria it can come into contact with, in the cold with no milk for 4 hours, was previously removed from the safety and warmth of it's mother, carried around by a little boy into the garden made muddy and flushed clean in a toilet.  By all accounts it should not have survived[/url].

Only time will tell no doubt! I do hope there are no long lasting problems but I would hesitste to say it was out of the woods yet. The picture showed a still very young pup and infection can take a while to kick in. I do hope the childrens mother has learnt a very valuble lesson here.
Aileen

I saw this earlier too. Negligence on the adults behalf. Pups arent toys and the mother of the pups deserved privacy to rear her pups in a safe environment. To think that poor pup had to endure that at a week old beggars belief. Why on earth werent the kids supervised or the mother dog seperated off so that the kids could not get in with them.

I hope the puppy is ok after this.

I do hope the childrens mother has learnt a very valuble lesson here.

i worry that the only lesson she will learn is that if it happens again dyno rod may charge her the next time, :-o

you are all saying your children no how to behave and not to go near the pups but then thats because most of you are proper breeders and have great knowledge of breeding most of you have been breeding for many years and have brought up your children so they know whats right and wrong when it comes to your litters,

this family seem to be just the regular joe blog family who happen to have let their x breed get Pregnant (I see the  Mum dog on news tonight and it looked nothing like a cocker spaniel )
So we are not talking about a prize pedigree bitch here and her £500.00 puppy being flushed , its sad these pups are even born,  more that will most likely end up in the pound at some time in their lifes,

Most of the people on this site are experienced breeders or if not they at least come here to get advice from the likes off and that's because they also want to get things right for their own dogs and do things properly ,

We had the poster the other day who asked if it was ok to leave their litter alone for 7 hours a day,
Something I would have thought was common sense  to know that its rather a long time to leave them alone and not ok at all,

This family seem to have just assumed that its ok to leave the pups and kids to do what ever  the mother probably never even gave it a second thought as she probably never had a litter before her dog having pups was most likely one of those things and she thought it would all look after its self,

God help her as they grow up,

Their was a women at my sons school whos staff x had a litter of 12 and she was walking round to the school in the cold weather with this 2 day old pup stuffed in her coat showing it off, 2 DAYS OLD   :-o

I couldn't even look at her and her stupid friends passing it round Blooming Fools!
(Arrrr makes me mad!!)

Then six weeks later she was coming round with a different pup everyday trying to sell them at the school gate  they were all skinny like bags of bones broke my heart,

Some people just don't think theirs anything wrong in what they do like these people,

At least we should be grateful that some people may come on here asking questions like (how long to leave a litter alone) but at least they care enough to ask and hopefully CD  is changing things for the better for some dog owners and most importantly their pets,

> Not all BYB's as you call them are bad people they are just frowned upon by some people which is IMO not nice

byb's by definition are not doing it for the right reasons or the right way. if they were they would be responsible breeders. so at best they are misguided and at worst are indeed bad.

What are byb's?

back yard breeders

essentially those who choose to produce litters without considering their actions- not health testing, not choosing show stock of quality, essentially not doing what a good breeder does.

they differ from puppy farmers in that they don't mass produce puppies but its usually done with misguided intentions such as thinking it makes them money, the astonishing belief that every bitch needs a litter to someone feel 'complete' in herself or my personal favorite- to show the kids the miracle of birth (without realising that very often attached to the miricle of birth is the cycle of life that leads to death- "heres fluffy having to have emergency surgery because shes gotten a stillborn pup stuck!"- terribly enlightening for the kiddies)

Astarte you put it all so well! , very very true

Perhaps I just do not like the term "back yard breeders " as I have been labeled as one before on this site !! and your  description  of one is definitely not me !!
Health checks have been done , breeders consulted, pedigree lines studied etc,etc

> byb's by definition are not doing it for the right reasons or the right way. if they were they would be responsible breeders. so at best they are misguided and at worst are indeed bad.

Yes there probably are some bad ones but there are also bad so called " Responsible breeders "but to label somone as one without knowing anything about them is BAD or to assume this about this lady in question is IMO wrong.
It could have happened to any breeder with small children responsible breeders included .

Yes it was a horrible thing for the pup to be put through but if she was that irresponsible she would not have bothered trying to get help.

Perhaps I am too soft and  allways see the good in people !!!???:)

I think the responsible pet breeders are totally different. Planning the litter...where to have it/which whelping box to buy and making sure all the essentials are to hand. Worrying constantly, coming on here to glean all info or ask questions. Putting parvocide on the front door mat/using hand gel and generally having an nervous breakdown from start to finish.

Oh yes and guarding them like the crown jewels that they are!

Lilacbabe you say :-

> Perhaps I just do not like the term "back yard breeders " as I have been labeled as one before on this site !! and your  description  of one is definitely not me !!
> Health checks have been done , breeders consulted, pedigree lines studied etc,etc
>

Is this really true?   I question the veracity of your statement.   I do know from another forum that you have a real "down" on CD and the advice given here - so I would ask - why do you post here?

You said on the other forum - of which I am a member :-
"Hi there
Have done it again on CD and started a big row !!! westcoast again knew \about Callie and brought it up on an unrelated thread. It was of course deleted as they do when they dont like stuff so sent message to admin.

They seen that I had started posting on here and acused me of lieing to them as I had not mentioned it on CD.

so I got stuck in to them as they are not going to accuse me of being a liar old bitches.

Enid"

Nice ...................

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8101818.stm

bit more info - and pictures of puppy down the drain...!

Lindsay
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>Health checks have been done , breeders consulted, pedigree lines studied etc,etc

Is this the litter where one parent is a malamute and the other a siberian husky, or am I confusing you with someone else? :o

I saw it on the news last night - if that puppy's a cocker spaniel then I'll run naked down the High Street!

HelenMD, exactly! As a child I new what the toilet was for (apart from the dead fish!).  Toys were bathed in the bath because that is where I was bathed (or the sink where my brothers were bathed).  We would never have dreamed about putting anything down the toilet.  The poor pup could still die if it swallowed any of the waste and an infection could still set in as the belly button may not be fully healed.

From memory (which is not great) I think that mating is Kellystewarts .. you know.. I am beginning to lose track of who is mating what to what anymore...

From the newest link I see they still havent learnt their lesson , Puppy outside in the cold with little boy squashing it on his lap

I'll run naked down the High Street!

lol oh jeangenie you are naughty lol

Im coming in on the tail end of this thread but i just wanted to say I cant believe what i have just read.Poor Poor little puppy Im so gld they got him out safely and lets hope hes ok from now on and suffers no nasty side effects from his ordeal.

One thing I will say is I cant believe the dyno rod man doing the voice over mentioned that the owner was worried about costs of getting the puppy out I would think that should be the last thing on her mind wouldnt you. I would give my last penny to save my dogs and worry about it later as long as the dog was ok.

It does beggar belief that the child was left unsupervised with access to such tiny puppies, I think this is extremely irresponsible parenting! The safety of this puppy was the responsibility of the child's parents. I am so glad it survived but am shocked that appropriate care was not taken of the poor little thing.  

> but there are also bad so called " Responsible breeders "

no theres not, unless secrets are being kept :) i wouldn't call anyone whos breeding standards i disagreed with a responsible breeder.

> Perhaps I just do not like the term "back yard breeders " as I have been labeled as one before on this site !!

i don't recall the thread- what instigated the accusation? i would assume someone didn't agree with your practises.

> It could have happened to any breeder with small children responsible breeders included

really? the pups i helped with were not left alone for one minute for the first 3 weeks let alone by themselves with children. you have just tried to breed your bitch i belive, i don't know if you have kids but if you did and she had had a litter would you ever leave them alone with the pups? would you leave week old pups alone long enough for a child to take one from the litter box, walk it round the garden, get it muddy when its immune system is not up to it and then another child flush it down the loo? thats going to have taken a fair wee while which suggests negligence to me.

> so I got stuck in to them as they are not going to accuse me of being a liar old bitches

how charming...

well, i am 24, which i suppose is old for a bitch :) we'll all be breaking breed records all over the place!!

so I got stuck in to them as they are not going to accuse me of being a liar old bitches

well that is nice i am just a lil bit wondering if this is how the poster really feels about people on here why even bother coming on the site ?,

well quite

and what a blooper that is :-), me thinks someones been catched out good and proper :-o,

well spotted Lokismum,