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- By Goldiemad [gb] Date 23.04.09 23:28 UTC Edited 24.04.09 19:12 UTC
I have just been sent this link and can't believe what I have seen. I am sorry if this causes offence, but surely action should be taken against this girl. It sounds like she is going to get away with just being grounded by her parents. What is happening to the youth of today, it makes me so grateful that my son is the way he is. I am so upset at seeing this level of cruelty and apologise for upsetting anyone else, but welcome suggestions on how to push for action to be taken against the girl. Maybe if we all contacted the RSPCA they might take action.

Sorry I cant post the link but here is the web addresss  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2391386.ece As distressing as it is, scroll down and watch the video.

WARNING: Not suitable for all.  The links are likely to cause distress so think twice before you view them.
- By poppity [gb] Date 24.04.09 00:10 UTC
why on God's earth would the rspca not take serious action against this cruel,sadistic child?it's not as if they don't have a witness to this appalling behaviour'it's all there on film!this kind of cruelty often leads to other terrible behaviour against other animals and humans.oh that poor dog and who knows how many times she's done it and not been seen.the rspca must have an e-mail address,they have to be made aware of the outrage caused by this hideous abuse of an innocent creature.thank goodness that she's been caught red-handed,but grounding is absolutely nothing in this case.i will definately contact the rspca and voice my concerns.
- By poppity [gb] Date 24.04.09 00:41 UTC
i have just been on the rspca website,registered with them and left a message by e-mail asking why they are doing nothing about this appalling case.can't help thinking it will be age related-her being 12.i can't stop thinking about what that poor dog went through and his owner must be mortified-he trusted that girl because she's a friends daughter,he must be racked with guilt to think he put his lovely dog ito that cruel girl's clutches.that girl needs the services of a good psychiatrist or she'll be in the news one of these days for some other horrific crime against humans.who knows how many times she's got away with animal cruelty-it's lucky someone had a camera on her this time.
- By JAY15 [gb] Date 24.04.09 02:26 UTC
I was so shocked and upset  couldn't watch it beyond the first fifteen seconds. The question in my head is where has this child seen that this is acceptable--are there other people in her household who treat animals this way? That poor dog--I don't know how the person who filmed this didn't grab him from that wicked bully and call the police, never mind the RSPCA.
- By JeanSW Date 24.04.09 02:46 UTC
Surely someone is going to see this, and actually recognise the girl?   Given that the RSPCA will do nothing, I can just see people taking matters into their own hands.  I can't imagine how the owner must be feeling.
- By craigles Date 24.04.09 06:29 UTC
Only her Mother would love her and for goodness sake what would the headline have been one wonders if the dog in his/her defence turned on her and attacked her! Who was filiming? I didn't read it all or watch it all too distressing.  Had it been me I'd have certainly been arrested I'm sure for sorting her out!
- By AliceC Date 24.04.09 06:41 UTC

> Who was filiming?


I didn't watch it either as I hate that sort of thing, but you do have to wonder why the person filming didn't intervene? I couldn't stand there and watch that sort of cruelty take place.
- By suejaw Date 24.04.09 06:49 UTC
Not watched the footage but can only guess from others have said and the report that she is one evil little girl. She is not too young to be dealt with by the law, she is over the age of 10 and therefore should be dealt with accordingly as any adult would be if they had done this.
Even though the person filming didn't stop it, at least they have the evidence so that girl(i hope) will be prosecuted against. If the said person who was filming had stopped filming and stopped this girl and then reported it you may not have the evidence, not saying its right either.
The person filming i guess had seen this girl behave in such a way before that he wanted to catch her on film this time, prob was very shocked by her behaviour this time.
- By ponk [gb] Date 24.04.09 07:03 UTC
I looked quickly, enough for me. That poor dog. If it hadnt been filmed and it had bitten her then what would have been the outcome. Makes you wonder how many dogs have paid with their lives for treatment like this by children.
you cant trust anyone these days with your pets, you cant let any one walk them and you cant leave them outside your local shop to pop in for a newspaper. Somebody would take them. What a horrible child...if they can do this at 12 years old then what hope is there for them.  She definately needs to be dealt with and used as an example for other children. Thank goodness my kids arent like this but I know a few who have a spiteful streak towards animals.
- By Carrington Date 24.04.09 07:37 UTC
I purposesly avoided this post twice as I didn't wish to look - but I've had a few coffees now and I've looked - wish I hadn't as I want to wring the girls neck.

A part of me can't help thinking has she learnt how to treat a dog from a parent, hope I am totally wrong in that train of thought.

Bullying at it's very worse!
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 24.04.09 08:03 UTC
Not going to watch it and do wonder how the person filming could carry on filming for such a length of time, I would of been in there getting the dog.

By the sounds of it everyone who knows her are shocked by her actions, even her parents, there could be something going on in her personal life, at home, elsewhere, school etc.  NOt that I'm am sticking up for her in any way, I would say that she needs more than a talking to and finding out the real reason why she would inflict such pain on an animal.
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 09:07 UTC
I can't watch the film but I feel I have read enough :-(.  The comment about the possibility that she may have been a babysitter in a couple of years time makes my blood run cold.
I suspect any prosecution of such a young individual would be ruled out as not in the interest of  the public.  What could they do for punishment?  Put her in prison? Care? 
The best thing I would think, and I hope it will happen, would be social services involving themselves with perhaps some examination of her mental state with whatever therapy or education would be deemed necessary to rechannel this child from growing into an equally monstrous adult.
- By bilbobaggins [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:14 UTC
Lets hope she never has a child.....I could not look either.
- By dexter [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:21 UTC
What a nasty horrible little child, I watched a little bit and had to turn off :( i really hope someone recognizes this girl, poor dog some people don't deserve to have animals :(
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 09:26 UTC

> i really hope someone recognizes this girl


I hope not! :eek:  Everyone that needs to knows seems to know who it is. 
- By peanuts [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:35 UTC
Must admit i watched it sicko is all i can say.
Trouble is there are no consequencies for anything anymore, this child will get off scott free, dad will give her a talking to and she will cry and he will hug her and she will promise never to do it again and that will be the end of it.
The RSPCA will do nothing because she is a minor.
Name and shame her thats what i say !!
I'm very much an eye for an eye type of person, chuck her in with a pack of wolves , they will teach her respect !!

Peanuts
- By Freds Mum [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:36 UTC
Hahaha, parents said she will 'be grunded' gee whizz, whats that going to do when 'a 12 year old child' is capable of inflicting such pain and cruelty??!!

I actually dont know what i would do if i found out a child/relative/friend of mine could do that. Doesnt bear thinking about.

Am ashamed that the person filming it watched for so long without intervening
- By Freds Mum [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:38 UTC

> this child will get off scott free


If i was prime minister my rule would be the punishment is linked to the severity of the crime, not the age.
If a child is capable of commiting a crime like this (where she fully understands the pain and suffering being put on the animal) then she would suffer the consequences the same as anybody else.
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 09:39 UTC

> Name and shame her thats what i say !!
> I'm very much an eye for an eye type of person, chuck her in with a pack of wolves , they will teach her respect !!
>


In what respect would we differ from her if we did something like that?
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 09:41 UTC
If I was Prime Minister I would wish children to remain recognised as children.
- By kenya [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:45 UTC
What a nasty horrible little child,

I hope she gets severley punished for this.
- By peanuts [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:46 UTC Edited 24.04.09 09:50 UTC
I went to the pack of timberwolves in Reading for a day and by god you lean to respect pack animals, i'm not talking about them biting you and killing you , they teach you how to respect canine manners and respect for them.
I think education is the key.
Bring back Borstal

Peanuts
- By ClaireyS Date 24.04.09 09:49 UTC

>The comment about the possibility that she may have been a babysitter in a couple of years time makes my blood run cold.


they say murders and such like start out like this by killing/torturing animals
- By peanuts [gb] Date 24.04.09 09:52 UTC Edited 24.04.09 09:57 UTC
Well same thing happened in the baby P incident , the guy had a rottie and he used to cut it with a kitchen knife to see how much it hurt and how much blood there was and nothing was ever done about it because he was a child!!

Makes you think !!

Peanuts
- By denese [gb] Date 24.04.09 10:04 UTC
It made me very anger to watch. Sorry, I partly blame the parents. Standards and morals are started in the home. No caring for others, lack of sentiment.
I remember being told by a professional years ago, this is the start, being cruel to animals, then things like the Jamie Bulger murder.
These kind of people never change.
I am afraid if the law see's fit to cover for her. Name and Shame, God help any children she may ever have.
They should be ashamed to have reared such a child.

Denese
- By Sue H Date 24.04.09 10:06 UTC
I couldn't watch beyond 10 seconds of this, but i'm not offended it has been posted. Truly sickening, read about it yesterday. Parents were apparently shocked at what she has done, & said she has been wanting her own puppy for ages! Needless to say, that won't happen now. With some luck, once the neighbourhood hears about it, the kids round there will give this girl a good kicking when they see her, see how she likes it. I wouldn't have been able to contain myself if i had been there, would have been arrested for sure.  
- By Blue Date 24.04.09 10:08 UTC
Am ashamed that the person filming it watched for so long without intervening

I know it seems awful but in doing so the evidence was so overwhelming it could not be challenged.

The dog will now be safe and HOPEFULLY the child will get the medical help she clearly needs.
- By Freds Mum [gb] Date 24.04.09 10:18 UTC

> I would wish children to remain recognised as children


this is the problem, this 'child' will be treated less severly becusse of her age even though she has commited an awful awful act that no 'normal' human could, let alone a minor.
Who knows what else she, and other children that escape punishment, will go on to commit

Yes Blue, i realise that now. Just seems so sad and makes me upset :-(
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 10:19 UTC

> These kind of people never change.
>


I am not sure that is true. Professional intervention is probably called for here but we use guidance and education for all children and we would not bother if there was no hope that it had any value would we?
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 10:21 UTC

> With some luck, once the neighbourhood hears about it, the kids round there will give this girl a good kicking when they see her, see how she likes it.


Oh I hope not :-(  I am quite shocked that people can be horrified by this childs actions and then go on to support actions that belong in the same category.
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 10:23 UTC

> Who knows what else she, and other children that escape punishment, will go on to commit
>


That is why intervention is important and punishment to a degree but only that which is appropriate for a child.
- By mastifflover Date 24.04.09 10:36 UTC

> That is why intervention is important and punishment to a degree but only that which is appropriate for a child.


I agree.
This is a 12 year old girl, just entering her 'kevin' stage. Our dogs are prone to erratic behaviour at that age and find it hard to control thierselfs and if a dog attacks a person we want to know why before sentancing the dog. I am appaled at the girls treatment of the dog, but she may be in need of some counciling to get a grip on her emotions. Apparently she was meant to be teaching the dog to walk, it seems as if she couldn't manage this and her frustration got the better of her.
Again, I am not saying that what she did was right, the poor dog should not have been beaten, kicked and hit with a lead atall, no animal deserves that and it deeply saddens me to know what this girl has done but I think the girl needs understanding and help. She may be a lovely girl that can't cope with surging hormones and needs some help, she may be sickened by her own actions to.
- By MandyC [gb] Date 24.04.09 10:47 UTC Edited 24.04.09 10:50 UTC

> Well same thing happened in the baby P incident , the guy had a rottie and he used to cut it with a kitchen knife to see how much it hurt and how much blood there was and nothing was ever done about it because he was a child!!
>


it has been proven that animal cruelty in young children can lead to terrible crimes later in life (animal cruelty is obviously a terrible crime too) yet there is still no harsh action taken when these things happen????
That horrible, horrible thing! cant even call her a child, nasty evil piece of work, i could never of stood there filming, i would of grabbed that little cow by her hair and then called the police.
I wished i hadnt watched the video, that poor dog was terrified and so confused by her nasty beatings, no action will be taken as she is 'just a child', pack her things and send her off to a young offenders where she can be on the other end of spiteful bullying...oh she made my blood boil

Others will disagree with my thoughts but i think she is vial!
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 10:56 UTC

> it has been proven that animal cruelty in young children can lead to terrible crimes later in life


But it hasn't been proven that it always will or that no intervention will prevent it.
Excellent post Mastifflover.

> pack her things and send her off to a young offenders where she can be on the other end of spiteful bullying...


Plenty of evidence to show that that sort of treatment can also produce nasty, vicious adults.
- By Granitecitygirl [eu] Date 24.04.09 10:58 UTC
It's sickening - I haven't watched it but I'm getting the drift of it from others here.  It begs the question, what kind of homelife/experiences has this kid had that she doesn't know or care about the value of life and trust - something we learn from having siblings, pets, friends & family etc? 
- By lunamoona [gb] Date 24.04.09 11:32 UTC

> It begs the question, what kind of homelife/experiences has this kid had that she doesn't know or care about the value of life and trust - something we learn from having siblings, pets, friends & family etc?


Although this no excuse, this is what I was thinking.  From the film it looks as though she has plenty to be bullied over herself.  I was terribly bullied at that age and although I never took it out on others I did use to self harm as a way of coping. 

Distressing though it is to see the film last so long, if it just showed a few seconds, who would believe that a known animal lover could be capable of such an attack.  The filmer cared enough to watch out for it happening and cared enough to get the proof.  Whether she is punished or not at least that poor dog is free of her and her parents are aware of the problems she has.
- By SandyP Date 24.04.09 11:42 UTC
Tried to watch some of this last night but could'nt.Too much unneccesary cruelty against the dog.I'm afraid if she had been one of mine she would have been frog marched down to the local nick and I would have demanded something be done with her  :mad: - If she had done this years ago( when I was a younger) the local bobbie would have given her a good clip round the ear and gone back to her parents house where her father would have given her a clout to! I feel really sorry for the dogs disabled owner who seems to have thought she was going to help him -what a shock this must have been to him.I just hope that the poor dog is not to traumatised by what happened to him - would be very sad if he suddenly disliked all children  because of this.
- By ClaireyS Date 24.04.09 11:51 UTC

>It begs the question, what kind of homelife/experiences has this kid had


or is she just a stroppy teenager who couldnt get the dog to do what she wanted so thought she would teach it a lesson ? I read it in the paper yesterday, her parents seem genuinely mortified about it and have said there is no way she will be getting a puppy.
- By Merlot [gb] Date 24.04.09 11:52 UTC
Sory to say I'm with the "make the punishment fit the crime" crowd. I did watch it and it is sickening. This  ??Child?? needs to be shown the error of her ways, she needs to learn that she cannot do things like this and if that means a criminal record in then so be it. She should not be allowed to get away with it with just a "Grounding".  I feel the RSPCA need to be involved and a phyciatric assesment made, to sweep it under the carpet is criminal in my book. Had it been my dog her name would be well know in the comunity to prevent any further possibility of another dog having to go through it. (and no one is refuting that she is known...not as if the authorities cannot find her) Just one more case of the need to supervise ALL contact with dogs and children, this could have had such a bad ending for the dog if it had (Quite understandably IMO) attacked and severly harmed her, without the photographic evidence of her behaviour it would have met an untimley and unneccesary death.
I for one would never ever allow my dogs to be walked by a child..not that there arn't some wonderfull sensible children but the odd bad apple could spell disaster!!...no offence meant to those with children who walk thier dogs every day...they are your dogs and your children and would not (we hope!) have the cruel streak this girl so obviously has.
I wonder if she is a bully at school or perhaps a victim of bullying? Whatever she needs to be punished for her crime.
Aileen
- By Freds Mum [gb] Date 24.04.09 11:58 UTC

> I feel really sorry for the dogs disabled owner


Me too, he innocently intrusted this young girl with his close companion and this is what she did. This poor man is going from having a lovely dog to one that probably ends up with problems due to what that little Witch did. He was being kind in letting this girl get some experience with a young dog when she wanted a pup herself. I cant imagine how he must feel - i think he should be the one to give her a punishment he feels fits....i know if someone did that to my dog what i would punish them to but i better not say on here :mad:
- By mastifflover Date 24.04.09 11:58 UTC

> her parents seem genuinely mortified about it and have said there is no way she will be getting a puppy.


I wonder if her getting a puppy would actually be a good idea (obviously under the supervision of her parents and whilst attending a good reward-based training class), I don't think anything can teach compassion, empathy and patience like caring for an animal, especially a dog that can be taught lots of things, it's also great for people/children with self-esteem issues/emotional/behavioural problems.
- By Freds Mum [gb] Date 24.04.09 12:02 UTC Edited 24.04.09 17:36 UTC
Not if these cases are anything to go by: Unfortunately owning a dog does not mean it will teach you anything.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/article2115578.ece
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/article2378625.ece

Warning graphic and upsetting images in above links.
- By Granitecitygirl [eu] Date 24.04.09 12:08 UTC
I think it would be better for her to help out at a Riding for Disabled Stable, or some other voluntary sector, either looking after disabled kids her own age.  I'm a bit once-bitten-twice-shy so would keep her away from smaller animals.  She still needs punishment and discipline of some form though - she deliberately inflicted pain and suffering on an innocent.  It's got nothing to do with being a stroppy teenager and hormones, nothing at all, something went wrong in this kids life to cause that cruel streak, perhaps she was overindulged by her parents, who knows.  And perhaps her parents are blinkered when it comes to their daughter, who knows.
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 12:17 UTC

> If she had done this years ago( when I was a younger) the local bobbie would have given her a good clip round the ear and gone back to her parents house where her father would have given her a clout to!


What would she have learned from that?  That you physically punish anyone or anything that does not do what you wish?  Was that not what she was doing to the dog?
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 12:19 UTC
FredsMum I think you should add a warning to your second link that it contains a horribly shocking illustration as soon as opened :-(
- By Granitecitygirl [eu] Date 24.04.09 12:21 UTC
Isobel, I think the difference would be that the Kid harmed an innocent, whereas the bobby was not harming an innocent.  That's just my own personal view though ;-)
- By mastifflover Date 24.04.09 12:22 UTC

> Not if these cases are anything to go by: Unfortunately owning a dog does not mean it will teach you anything.


Our childhood can shape the way we are - learning as a child to care for another living being must teach something. The cases above were adults, the girl in the OP is a 12 year old, she has much time to learn and for society to help mould her into a much more caring indivual, that is if she doesn't just need help with any issues she has.

It appears that the girl wanted to teach the dog how to walk on a lead, she did this with brutality - we all know that is wrong - you can't teach something with cruelty and punishment, yet people want to inflict cruel punishment on this girl to 'teach' her what she did was wrong????? It is a complete contradiction as we all agree that cruelty and punishment TEACHES NOTHING other than cruelty, lack of trust, fear, anger and maybe even agression.

I'm with Isabel, education is the key and/or the girl may well need help.

I have suffered from depression before (it is actually an imbalance of the seretonin levels, not just a 'state of mind'), it can alter your entire perception, you can do things that you wouldn't normally do and you can do things without really being aware of doing them, not dissimilar to any other hormonal imbalance and/or behavioural problems. I can not bring myself to want to inflict cruel/harsh punishemnts on a girl that may be in need of help, it is not far-fetched atall, she is entering her teenage years.
- By Isabel Date 24.04.09 12:36 UTC

> I think the difference would be that the Kid harmed an innocent


I gathered from the clip that she was trying to teach the dog to walk to heel so I presume it was disobeying her instructions.  From the child's point of view the dog was therefore transgressing so to punish her transgressions physically must surely reinforce that this is a legitimate way to react. 
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 24.04.09 12:40 UTC

>you can't teach something with cruelty and punishment, yet people want to inflict cruel punishment on this girl to 'teach' her what she did was wrong????? It is a complete contradiction as we all agree that cruelty and punishment TEACHES NOTHING other than cruelty, lack of trust, fear, anger and maybe even agression.


There are people who still believe that the use of force and violence is a good way to train a dog. :mad: There's a popular training book in the US that advocates treatment that makes that child's actions seem very mild in comparison. :eek:

Luckily for our dogs we know better, but that girl stil needs to be taught that. And using force and violence against her won't do it.

You're absolutely right - a chemical imbalance in the body, such as at puberty, causes mood-swings. And looking at the stills of that child (I'm too squeamish to watch the video - it's funny, I can watch animals being slaughtered but I can't watch deliberate cruelty) she's a prime candidate as a bully's target and therefore will probably have a lot of bottled-up rage. She needs punishment, yes, but also help to ensure she never does anything like that again.
- By Dakkobear [gb] Date 24.04.09 12:49 UTC
Excellent post Mastifflover. I too think that this girl needs help in the first instance, not punishment. Children do cruel things (maybe not this cruel) but they need education - punishment gets nowhere - isn't that what the dog training manuals tell us all the time? - don't punish the bad behaviour, reward the good.Why think that something that doesn't work for animals will work on a human animal? Battering this child isn't going to teach her that battering the dog won't make it do what she wants. To be honest she was very lucky that she wasn't bitten, the dog must have an excellent nature to put up with the treatment meted out. I would imagine the Social Workers will be knocking at her door any day now!!

(posted at the same time JG but I take longer to type:-) )
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