I just want to let off steam 

I am the only female in an office of 5 men, the office is glass fronted and over looks our production
area, we have many attractive and well chested young ladies on the shop floor, I would be the first to credit them for their charms.

But, I do get VERY VERY VERY tired of having to sit in this office listening to these blokes and the 'you don't get many of them to the lb, have you seen what so and so is wearing (we don't have a specific dress code here) type comments.

Any suggestions for some smart one line put down comments I can make when trying to discuss work with a man who has his tongue hanging out oggling some young filly.

Tell him she probably has hairy nipples?  Or that we don't ogle their moobs so can it :-)  Alternatively just tell him to put his tongue back in his head and watch in amusement at his beamer.  Don't suppose there are any fit blokes on your shop floor you could say "Phwoar look at the packet on that one!" ;-)

Just tell them to stop being such juvenile perverts

i work in a whole office of men, as i work for an i.t company and fortunately they are more interested in computer games and how binary works.... yawn think the comedy it crowd and you wont go far wrong

> juvenile perverts

I wouldn't mind if they were young blokes but everyone of them is over 55yrs!! Old enough to know better :(

> "Phwoar look at the packet on that one!" ;-)

I have tried the 'packet' theme but sadly most of the blokes here are a bunch of swamp donkeys :(

> Tell him she probably has hairy nipples? 

One of the blokes is so boob focussed that he probably wouldn't care if all of these chests had warts and pimples on them.

Put viagra in the water cooler and let them all suffer in silence? :-)  Sorry, not much help I'm afraid.

It's a childish fascination that will never leave men I'm afraid.

I wouldn't mind if they were young blokes but everyone of them is over 55yrs!! Old enough to know better

Decrepid old perverts :-)

I am one of those ladies that gets the comments about my boobs... I dont even wear a skirt to work any more.That is not because my nipples show below my hem either!!!

I just ask....  what is it your wive finds so attractive about you ..... I am not offended though because they would stop if I insisted.

So much for PC !!!!!!

> 'you don't get many of them to the lb, have you seen what so and so is wearing (we don't have a specific dress code here) type comments.
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"almost as nice as your Moobs"?

if they are offending you you've every right to complain to them and failing that your boss. we are terrible for that sort of comment in our team but then we are all comfortable with it, in a small wing full of people we know. i'm up for the occassional rude comment but you need to be mindful of your audience.

> wouldn't mind if they were young blokes but everyone of them is over 55yrs!! Old enough to know better

ugh... if the girls themselves knew they'd probably complain

Have a look here - it makes interesting reading!

http://www.safeworkers.co.uk/SexualHarassmentWork.html

Margot

sexual harrassment law has loopholes everywhere as i found out...

read http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=41188&in_page_id=34 

> if they are offending you you've every right to complain to them and failing that your boss.

I promise I'm not a prude, and I'm all for a gander at some firm apple cheeked buttocks and well muscled thighs, but it does get very wearing when you are trying to work with a dribbling slob sat near you and as for reporting to the boss, well he's one of the offenders :(

> what is it your wive finds so attractive about you

now that's a good one I shall remember that ;)>

I dont even wear a skirt to work any more.

I also no longer wear skirts and I always have tops on that cover all, I'm not huge in the chest area just managable but they can make me feel self concious.

Decrepid old perverts  :-D :-D and probably a lovely wife at home eh

> sexual harrassment law has loopholes everywhere as i found out...

:-o  Not really a loophole though as the ruling was this was not related to employment.  Pinkys predicament clearly is.  I would not put up with it.  The odd occasion fair enough, I am not a prude, but incessantly is very wearing and very disrespectful.  If the Manager is involved you need to report it above him perhaps after a private conversation requesting he stops it first.

> I promise I'm not a prude

to want to work in peace doesn't make you a prude. I'm one of the worst offenders for coming out with lewd things in my office but its done amoung people who are fine with it, not forced on people who don't want to listen to it. They way you've described it they sound seedy and rather disgusting. being complimentary or having an understood joke is fine, being sleezy is definately not!

perhaps its because your the only woman they have gotten out of hand? i know the guys at my work wouldn't be sleezy because we're all very outgoing women and we'd get them told lol.

> I'm all for a gander at some firm apple cheeked buttocks and well muscled thighs

well aren't we all ;)

but it was related to employment, it was done by my boss, on a works outing and shown to work colluegues.

> dont even wear a skirt to work any more.
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> I also no longer wear skirts and I always have tops on that cover all, I'm not huge in the chest area just managable but they can make me feel self concious.

now thats ridiculous, you should dress as you want without feeling ackward. I would complain, it doesn't need to be 'a thing', just point out that its rude and could open them up to ackwardness.

i feel so lucky to work with the guys i do now! 30 at oldest and the worst comment i've had is about the ampleness of my chest when talking about the trouble i had buying a dress for our do. you even get comments about smelling nice from our lot :)

i shall have to say nice things to them tonight :)

Do you have a union, Pinky?  Perhaps they would step in if you have no joy reasoning with your Manager and possibly arrange some Equality and Diversity training for them to drag them out of the Middle Ages (in both senses of the word :-))

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/WorkingHoursAndTimeOff/DG_10029426

Unfortunately works do's are not classed as working time

Not a nice thing to happen though.

well, it was classed as that in another case with a police officer. obviuosly they had far more money and employed a very expensive barrister and i had to settle for a no win no fee solicitor as i had no money to pay for one.

Can you imagine if works do's  were as there would be thousands of complaints as people who had one too many and got up the next morning regreting their liason with John from Accounts !

What was the police officer case ?

thats horrible mahonc, i'm very sorry about that

> What was the police officer case

i have no idea what the name was to be honest as i was on anti depressants at the time and my mind was fogged all the way through, but from what i can remember she was at an after work do and her boss touched her and she obviuosly was not happy, the difference from what i can remember was that that case was directly after work and mine was planned and paid for by cpw but met up late on. not sure why that matters but apart from that and money for an expensive barrister nothing

> thats horrible mahonc, i'm very sorry about that

thanks took me 3 yrs to get over it, but i am now!

Was he your boss at the time of the recording though, or just your boyfriends flat mate, as the report seems a bit confused?

http://83.137.212.42/sitearchive/eoc/Default6ca3.html?page=15398
this is the case, you have to scroll down to find the stubbs case

he was my boss at the time and my o.h flatmate, i went back the once as i was quite rightly concerned, and on that one occasion he recoreded it through the bedroom door. he then showed it to work mate at a works do

Cheryl that must have been very upsetting, embarrassing and humiliating for you - but why are you re-living it again now?   Put it behind you and move on.

What Pinky is suffering at the moment has absolutely nothing to do with her conduct, either inside or outside the office.

i know but it was mentioned about sexual harrasment law which isnt as cut as dried as people think. and your right i should not relive iti do feel im over it but im sure it'll take a while longer really.
everything happens for a reason yeh?

This is a tricky one Pinky and I have to say I feel very sorry for you! I work on my own in an office with 2 men but thankfully they are gentlemen and would never dream of any leery behaviour.

I was going to suggest that perhaps you could put forward the suggestion of a uniform?! Then if the ladies are a little more 'covered up', at least the men might be a bit less pervy in their comments?! But mind you, if your boss is one of the main offenders, I'm not sure if he'd be so keen on the idea. Poor you, you have my sympathy! (Sorry I've not been very helpful!)

I would say go to the boss.  We had a case where our qutie small work force shared a canteen and one of the young lads opened a certain paper at page 3 and commented on the charms of the lady on view to his mate sitting next to him.  Everyone who was questioned later said that he spoke in a conversational tone of voice and that at the time everyone laughed, but two days later we recieved a notice from one of our female employees via her lawyer accusing the company of sexual harrasment.  It went the full way to a tribunal where it was thrown out but not before the young lad was made to feel like a leper within a mainly female workarea and he handed in his notice and left.  During the six months it took for it to be resolved the company spent quite a sum of money on lawyers fees and creating seperate canteen areas for male and female employees.  The lady handed in her notice 2 months later and left the company.  She went on to cause problems of a similar nature for another local company.

It only takes a word to cause offence, some of the examples show how quickly and destructivley a it can change lives.

mahonc, I have to agree with you regarding the law as you say not everything is cut and dried.

> and creating seperate canteen areas for male and female employees

What a strange solution.  Surely a bit of money spent on enducation would have sufficed and prevented danger of offence wherever these two alien species did cross paths :-).

Go out and buy several calendars of naked firemen / hollyoaks hunks etc - you know the sort - good looking muscular men :-) for women to oggle at. Put up around your office space, then make sure your screensaver is another similar type hunk. Then at every opoortunity make lewd rude comments about men, either those you work with or other men "oo bumped into so-and-so last night, you should have seen his biceps" type of thing. carry on like that until the men in your office get fed up and tell you to shut up, then you can turn around and say "well how do you think i like it when you make comments about the people we have to work with?!!!"

> What a strange solution

We thought so as well, but it was discussed at a meeting with everyone from the company and the majority voted for seperate areas. 

> alien species

:) couldn't have put it better LOL

> What a strange solution.  Surely a bit of money spent on enducation would have sufficed and prevented danger of offence wherever these two alien species did cross paths :-).

quite- whats wrong with a coaching session and verbal warning?

> law has loopholes everywhere as i found out...
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That is absolutley disgraceful.

To be honest although he was your boss, the recording wasn't done at work, it was done on private premises, the fact that he viewed it with colleages at a work do is irrelavent..but very difficult to get over. As someone said, let it go now and look forward, every time you revisit it, more pain and embarrassment is experienced. It's like someone giving you a present you don't want, try to look forward and try not to feel bitter or disgruntled...it's for the best...I would have thought you may have a civil case to take him to Court that way? I think some of the No win No fee Solicitors would be very upset that you feel they don't do their best for you??

> Any suggestions for some smart one line put down comments I can make when trying to discuss work with a man who has his tongue hanging out oggling some young filly.

We all know that men only thinks with their d**** so I guess they must be very small to make such small minded comments. (((hope thats not too rude)))

Dont worry Luna.... you're in good comapny with me on the naughty step ;)

I was thinking of the quip:- "What happened? Did you wish for a big dick but became one instead???"

AHA!! See you have a little 'racer' beauty as an avatar now XXXX

> Go out and buy several calendars of naked firemen / hollyoaks hunks etc

Actually I have a picture of my OH in his Levi's stripped to the waist with his stunning hairy chest on show, he's stood with one arm lazily resting on his Harley in our garden shed, I think he is probably the greatest piece of man candy you could wish to oggle at, I did have it as my screen saver and it was mentioned that it was not suitable to have on show when customers visited 

Funny thing is some of the blokes on the shop floor had girlie calenders up at one time, nothing foul just pretty girls in nice undies and some of the girls had a couple of holiday postcards of hunky blokes, the 'boss' made them get rid of them as he said it was offensive and not PC, even more 

When I have made saucy comments about some of the almost attractive blokes at work I'm told I'm behaving like a desperate old housewife!!!

This is a very small privately owned company of around 45/50 employees, the 'boss' is actually the owner, there is no higher position to speak to. There is no union (I'd probably lose my job if I was in one, even though that's against the law).

The uniform thing has been mentioned before but the staff are not keen and the company doesn't particularly fork out the cash for it.

I'm not massively stressed by working with these dribbling old fools which you would not want to meet at the office party when having had a drink too may, it's just that sometimes when these blokes come back from the vending machine having walked the length of the factory and passed all of our Polish lovelies I wish to goodness they would not walk in to the office saying things like 'look at the rack on that' it's the THAT which peee's me off. Then I so want to clobber them 

> i feel so lucky to work with the guys i do now! 30 at oldest

Not wishing to be ageist after all I'm 50 myself, but I have noticed that the younger males are more accepting and less in awe of all of the flesh that is flashed by young girls these days whereas the older chap seems bowled over by it, maybe it's because the older chap saw less of it in his younger day.

> Actually I have a picture of my OH in his Levi's stripped to the waist with his stunning hairy chest on show, he's stood with one arm lazily resting on his Harley in our garden shed, I think he is probably the greatest piece of man candy you could wish to oggle at, I did have it as my screen saver and it was mentioned that it was not suitable to have on show when customers visited&nbsp; <IMG alt=confused src="/images/confused.gif">
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> Funny thing is some of the blokes on the shop floor had girlie calenders up at one time, nothing foul just pretty girls in nice undies and some of the girls had a couple of holiday postcards of hunky blokes, the 'boss' made them get rid of them as he said it was offensive and not PC, even more&nbsp; <IMG alt=confused src="/images/confused.gif">
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> When I have made saucy comments about some of the almost attractive blokes at work I'm told I'm behaving like a desperate old housewife!!!

I'm not sure you have anything to complain about here as it seems to be tolerated on all sides, however I do think your "boss" is right and you ought to all be now aware that some quiet soul may find this difficult and nobody should be doing it.

> "What happened? Did you wish for a big dick but became one instead???"

Massive hoots of laughter and piddling my knickers at this :-D

Put down - courtesy of Men Behaving Badly

"Let's face it, Tony, the only way you're gonna be in there is if you're both marooned on a desert island and she eats a poisonous berry or a nut which makes her temporarily deaf, dumb, stupid, forgetful and desperate for s*x."

Or you could go for the old 'pull your tongue back in , you're dribbling on the glass'

> however I do think your "boss" is right and you ought to all be now aware that some quiet soul may find this difficult and nobody should be doing it.

My boss is one of the worst offenders, what he says on the shop floor does not carry over into the office, he will make lewd noises and gestures as these young foreign girls walk by and they don't even understand what he means.

That's why I find it confusing that he tells the shop floor to clean up their act and then sits back like a fat toad and drools at these girls.!!